Post your JUNGHANS clocks here

[any400day]

Please post pictures and details of your Junghans clocks here. If possible include a picture of the movement with the markings on the backplate. I have compiled a table of movement markings that I have seen over the years. All the data that are marked with an “X” and highlighted in yellow are markings that I have documented. Would greatly appreciate all help in adding to the database.

Vic

 

[new2clocks]

400,

Attached is my only Jughans, an elephant swinger, circa 1910.

Regards.

 

[Jay]

My Junghans c 1900? Movement marked B10
Westminster Chimes

Hope this is what you want Vic?
regards,
Jay

 

[fobs]

i cant tell further, except rear markings shows UNGHANS J in the 8-crested star,... WURTTEMBERG

the watchshop uncle didnt note the movement, "alphabet+2numbers"

i dont know itz age,...

anyone could enlighten me, pls?
https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=44908
feel free to comment in the "identification sought" thread

 

[Richard T.]

Hi Vic,

Below are pictures of a Junghans WM chime tambour with B25 movement markings. I thought the original model label on the bottom was nice.


Best,

Richard T.

 

[any400day]

Thanks to all that have posted their clocks so far and please keep them coming.

new2clocks,
The elephant swinger is listed from 1910 to 1937-38 (I do not have reference material prior to 1910 except for a 1904 catalogue which does not show any swingers). It is known as Model No. 6785 from 1910 till about 1920 when Junghans adopted a new model numbering system that started with a group code which changed it to Model No. 4/51.

Jay,
Could not find your clock in the 1910 French Junghans nor the 1911 catalogues but based on previous postings on this Message Board, with confirmation from Junghans, your clock was made in the 2nd half of 1910 ( “A” for 1st half and “B” for 2nd half followed by the year “10”). I agree with the “AB” year markings as there is a movement in the 1910 catalogue that is marked with “A09” which would be correct for the catalog to be published and released in the late 1909.
Would appreciate if you could post pictures of the front of movement (when you next service the clock), close up of movement back and “B10” markings if possible.

fobs,
We need the alphabet with the numbers on the movement back before we can try to date the clock. You can loosen the two screws on the mounting board and slide the movement out to check or provide some pictures.

Richard T,
Sorry, do not have the complete 1925 & 1926 catalogues and your clock is not listed in what I have. The movement is Werke 103 Westminster Chime. Same request for pictures of movement and close-up if possible.

Vic

 

[fobs]

any400day,

i'm in penang, m'sia.
u are in s'pore?

i'll try to see what i can do with the clock to provide pics,...
anyway, i recorded the chime,... itz not westminter and i do not know what chime that is,...

maybe i can email the file to u and let u figure it out,...

 

[Jay]

Vic
Thanks for the information. I took my magnifier and noticed that there is a number(serial?) 140 on the right side of the back of the movement.

Jay

 

[zepernick]

Want to make sure this important effort is uplisted (so to speak).

For the first time, and with the help of the CD'd catalogues Vic is making available, it is becoming possible to establish some dating lines for what was once the largest clock manufactory in the world. That we've previously had so little in the way of dating guidelines has been both ironic and an irritation.

There are lots of Junghans clocks out there -- please help out.

Regards,
Zep

P.S. Below, an ad in the Deutscher Uhrmacher-Kalender für 1913. The largest clock factory in the world. Daily production 15,000 clocks.

 

[any400day]

Bryan, B32 dates your clock to the second half of 1932.

What? This clock has a count wheel and a lever design. It also has a round gong and a round top on the case. All point to a 1800's design. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see how. By the 1930's Junghans was using a rack and snail design with removable spring barrels. Everything about this clock points to the 1800's.

Like I said, I don't get it....

Bryan

Bryan, can you show a closeup of that trademark? It may help to confirm that date by when the trademark was used. We had a post a year or so ago on Junghan movements and dating them, and someone got confirmation from the Junghan factory that it was indeed a date code (B32).

Bryan,
From what I can make out the trademark appears to be the commonly seen 8 pointed star with UNGHANS over a J. If so I understand this mark dates from 1894. As Harold says a member did get an email to say the codes with A or B and two digits are date codes and I suppose if Junghans say so then it must be true. I am still puzzled why in my experience the majority of movements do not have date codes and why in some examples I have seen, the case, when original, doesn't match the date code.

Bryan,
The movement on your clock is a version of Movement 74 (picture attached) that uses the flat lever instead of the round wire levers that were used in earlier movements. The switch over from the round wire to flat levers is approx. 1910 which mean that the earliest possible date of manufacture of your movement cannot be earlier than 1910.

“B32” is a manufacturing date with the “A” being the 1st half and “B” the 2nd half of the year. The general trend from the table I provided at the beginning of this thread shows movements to have be made from 1905 to 1922 (excluding WWI), then there is a gap from 1923 to 1925/26.
Junghans switched over to a “two digits year & one or two digits month” marking format from 1927/1928.
There are several movements with “32”, “42” and “52”. Someone tipped me off to the possibility that the “32”, “42” & “52’ represents the years 1923, 1924 & 1925.

I found a picture of your clock in the 1923 Junghans catalogue but was not able to find any matches in catalogues from 1927 to 1939. A picture of the catalogue page from 1923 is attached.
Another interesting point is that Movement 74 was no longer shown in their catalogues from 1928. It was replaced by Movement 202 which they listed as “improved movement 74”. While research is still on-going, there is a very strong possibility that your clock was made in 1923.

Vic

 

[MQ32shooter]

Here are pics of the only 2 I have.

 

[fobs]

hey vic,

my junghans says A27
i've snapped some pics, later wil upload them.

now i've got a video of the hammer sequencing
the chimes at quarters are a bit off, i've taken a look and the thin foil on that side seems to be loose,...

alignment on the hammer and bars seems out,...
also the dial is not in position

this whole clocks needs alignment,...
oily oily inside,...

 

[fobs]

guyz,

 

[harold bain]

Fobs, your clock could really use a good cleaning. Interesting setup with 8 hammers and 4 rods. Chime block appears built to have 5 rods, possibly to accomodate a different tune.

 

[fobs]

Fobs, your clock could really use a good cleaning. Interesting setup with 8 hammers and 4 rods. Chime block appears built to have 5 rods, possibly to accomodate a different tune.

my neighbor sent his similar clock (8 hammers, 8 rods, westminter chime) for tuning/servicing/etc,...
when he gets the clock back, i'll see wat workmanship/price he gets,... then i'll send this,...

and old watch-repair uncle was also surprised when heard abt the 8 hammers and 4 rods,...

i'm not sure if this junghans have been rojak (mix-matched),...

our country is famous for mix-matching, let vic tell u guyz abt it.

vic vic, where are u?

 

[any400day]

Frankie,

The gong standard on your clock is correct and matches the clock. I have attached a picture of a Junghans 5 rod gong standard from the 1929 Junghans catalogue. The design on the gong standard is identical to yours.
Junghans used both 4 & 5 rods gongs as shown in the attached page from their 1913 Parts catalogue.

Vic

 

[chimeclockfan]

They used 8 bar versions, too, on occasion.


Nice clock there.

 

[fobs]

thanx vic.

i think my rods are mis-located,... haha!
waiting for my neighbor's clock to come back, then i'll send mine for checking

err, any1 has any idea on how to convince my wife to let me hang the old clock in my new house?

 

[harold bain]

thanx vic.

i think my rods are mis-located,... haha!
waiting for my neighbor's clock to come back, then i'll send mine for checking

err, any1 has any idea on how to convince my wife to let me hang the old clock in my new house?

You could tell her it's a good luck charm

 

[any400day]

i need a pic of the dial face

Frankie,
Picture of a dial from a Junghans Box clock with a W103 movement marked A27 which would be quite typical for your clock.

Vic

 

[fobs]

thanx Vic
i'll get back to you on the chimes

 

[weirhouse]

 

[chimeclockfan]

That's a rare "Ave Maria" chime wall clock. Pretty unusual that it has a 6 note chord for the hours... Good find.

 

[weirhouse]

Wow - that's great to hear. It was my first clock purchase and I got it off eBay. I have to admit, it seemed to be "calling me" when I was looking. Just kept going back to it.

Any SWAG on value just to satisfy my own curiosity? Also, appreciate any other info or places where I might find pictures of similar clocks?

Like they say, "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then!"
Thanks!
Scott

 

[harold bain]

Scott, we can't give any values on the board, but I can say it is worth what you paid for it.

 

[weirhouse]

Anyone know where I can get a grommet like the one pictured below? The face of my Junghans clock is missing one from around one of the keyholes on the dial.
Thanks!
Scott

 

[Viv Rose]

My Junghans from about 1920. Non correcting westminster chime is sometimes a bit irritating.

 

[Anvil2k9]

my only Junghans which is to me a very nice
reminiscent of the Art deco / Bauhaus designs.
the size of the wood case is 20x10x5 cm except
the brass stand. hands and all digits all blued steel.

movement is an ATO-Mat W794 build from
1962 onwards. improved versions been used
especially in the very common Junghans kitchen
clocks of that decade.

I think I've got a very early version of it
because you have to 'ignite' the movement
through a small brass wire by a quick forth
and back flip (marked with a red X).

any400day -
would you please so kind providing me (?via PM) with
the page/excerpt of the original catalog subject you
may spot my clock on one of your CD's?

regards
Damian

 

[harold]

Here is my B21 I just bought. Avery large clock 24 x 13 inches.

 

[Kevin W.]

Nice one Harold, i would love one too.

 

[any400day]

Sorry Damian,
I do not have a catalogue with your clock in it.


Harold,
I also do not have any catalogue with your clock.

Vic

 

[chris_psmith]

No movement details as i forgot to write them down when i had it apart, but it was built first half of 1906:


Chris

 

[Robert.hawkins]

I Have a Jughans B21 with the letter J Wall Clock . I would like to know more about it . Bob Hawkins

 

[Richard T.]

Welcome to the NAWCC message board! There are many knowledgeable people here that are willing to help you.

If you can post some pictures it will help identify your clock.

Best,

Richard T.

 

[harold bain]

Hi, Robert, welcome. From the number B21, we can tell you that your clock was made in the second half of 1921. With a picture we might be able to give more information. Junghans was probably the largest clock company in the world at this time.

 

[Dave B]

Here's one I just pick up yesterday for overhaul. I told the client the clock was probably 1900 to 1910, just based on the case design, and penduum bob. It appeared to me to be late period Eastlake, and the geometrics on the bob show the trend toward the Arts and Crafts Movement in furniture design.

When I got the movement out of it this morning, I was proven correct. It is a B09 movement, which I take to be the latter half of 1909. What is the significance of the 041/2 on the upper left of the rear plate?

 

[Dave B]

Forgot to upload the picture of the bob. Here 'tis.

 

[harold bain]

Dave, it looks like an early version of what evolved into the typical "box" clock of the 20's and 30's. I think the 41 would be pendulum length in cm's.

 

[maxperondi]

I have got an Junghans clock with mechanism B 09 see pictures but it looks a bit different to the ones I have seen here .

I bought mine on ebay about two weeks ago and I am very happy with it. The only problem I had so far was that it took me long time to get the clock settle but now seems ok . One think I can't work out is how to I set it to strike the quaters correctly at the moment it strikes about 1 minute before is due.

Many thanks

Max

 

[harold bain]

Max, the minute hand is on a bushing that needs to be reset. See this thread for some instructions: https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=50108

 

[maxperondi]

Thanks.
Max

 

[Dave B]

Dave, it looks like an early version of what evolved into the typical "box" clock of the 20's and 30's. I think the 41 would be pendulum length in cm's.

The number is not 41. I guess my description left a little to be desired. It is oh-four and one half. I have attached a photograph of the numbers.

The pendulum measures 15 3/4 inches from the bottom of the suspension spring to the bottom of the rating screw. My HP46 calculator tells me that 15.75" = 40.005cm.

So I am still wondering what the numbers are supposed to mean.

 

[any400day]

Dave,

I think it is “104½” which is the BPM or Pendel Schwingungen which is quite typical for your W74 movement.
A clock that is very similar to yours is listed as “Francfort” or “Frankfurt” Model #6465 in the French 1910 Junghans catalogue which is attached.

Vic

 

[hugha]

I bought this one last year from a local seller, took some photos and packed it away without looking at it again. It really deserves to be serviced and set going, on display. Does the B42 code mean it was made in 2nd half of 1942? I thought it looked to be older.

Anything else you can tell me about it would be of great interest.

Kind Regards
Hugh Aston
Christchurch
New Zealand

 

[rejo]

Hi All,

Attached photos of Junghans A07. Pictures are not the best quality cause I forgot my camera and did it with phone cam. The top part is missing

 

[tiktok]

My 2 Junghans wall clocks.

 

[JustCurious]

My recently acquired Junghans. The movement is labeled A06 and 104 1/2. The chime says Gloria.

 

[Dave B]

Here is a Junghans A09 movement that came into the shop yesterday, for movement overhaul and repair of the strike side weight shell. (The rod pulled through, and tore the bottom. I have to reshape and solder it.)
The woman who brought it in said her late husband made the case, when he was a high school student working part time at the Junghans factory, in 1909. She did not bring the case, but I have made arrangements to deliver the clock when it is finished, and will photograph it then. She was quite garrolous, and told me her whole life story, (her daughter kept trying to pry her away -- LOL) which was fascinating. She said she is only ninety, and her husband was twenty years her senior, when she married him and came to the United States in 1936.

 

[any400day]

JustCurious,

Both the dial center insert and pendulum of your clock are listed in Junghans catalogues as shown below. Gloria gong is used by Gustav Becker and with your movement marked A06, I am of the opinion that the movement is not original to the case. The case is probably Gustav Becker as the gong and decorative motif on the case-top is typically used by them. The design of the case is also not consistent to box clocks of that period, looks more like 1920s or later.
Could you kindly post a picture of the front of the case.

Vic

 

[JustCurious]

any400day, thank you so much for the info!!! I know very little of the history of the clock, I would say a swap is entirely possible as it was likely picked up from an antique dealer 20 - 30 years ago. Although, if thats the case, why would the movement be marked 'A06'? Is that not 1906 then? Thanks for all your help, any other info you have would be great, I'd love to get my hands on these catalogues you have, are they available digital anywhere? Thanks!!

https://mb.nawcc.org/picture.php?albumid=109&pictureid=592