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Is that a Roman numeral IV under the 18? If so, that would seem to indicate 18th April.
Indeed it is a IV and indeed it does mean April. Don't know why I wrote May, perhaps because it's the month we are currently in.

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Even then, there are differences with the catalog picture. Aren't there customer options that could have been included or changed such that there might not be an exact catalog match?

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Even then, there are differences with the catalog picture. Aren't there customer options that could have been included or changed such that there might not be an exact catalog match?

Kurt
what are the differences you spotted?
other than the ornament on the top I can't say that it's different from the 2656, I couldn't see any signs on the crown of my clock that would suggest it was there and then removed,
I figured the ornaments were, as you suggested, a general option that could have been selected, in a general level, as opposed to the wood/color, glass options that were mentioned in the item page.

Roy
 

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There were meager differences among production models throughout the years and these were not the things noted in published literature. Dials, case ornamentation, pendulums were periodically changed out and the differences in some models were sometimes very trivial. Some of these changes were to the order of retailers, others were set at the factory. You also had choices in wood construction with the most common three being Oak, Mahogany, or Walnut. Only through examination of surviving clocks may some of these periodic production changes be noted.
 

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I am hoping to get a bit more info on a GB lancet clock I bought recently. I thought I was able to date it from ythe logo stamp, but there are some interesting differences from what I have seen on this thread. Maybe I missed some info since I did not examine all 63 pages in detail.

The logo is that of GB Silesia but the differences of the examples I have found are:

1. The GB letters are a different style than see for "Silesia" marked movements.
2, Mention is made of this era of GB's from Silesia having a crescent moon shape in the centre od the crown. I'm not sure what is on mine, but it certainly is not a crescent moon

The lancet-style case was in trouble. Two molding pieces at the base were missing, the font panel was cracked in two places, the finish was so dirty that it was hard to tell what the wood was. The back cover is missing - I suspect it was a spun brass cover, can anyone confirm? And the brass string inlay on the front was gone. Two ball feet missing. Dial is enamelled. Not sure what I can do about the back cover, but everything else I will restore - partially done in the pics.

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Nick, thanks for posting! These are scarce so it's nice to see one in what appears to be great condition. Did you make the wall pedestal?

What source did you use to get the 1931 manufacturing date? I have a couple of these in my database however the ones I've seen don't have serial numbers but one of them had a month/year stamp (29 8) indicating August 1929. Any info you have on this will be of interest.

Also, will appreciate if you could post a photo of the back of the movement to show hammer and bell arrangement as well as any logos or serial numbers that might be present.
Oooh a very late re-lay, yes I made the wall bracket, I made several and they are in my shed sitting empty. I am going to sell this lovely GB lantern as I need the money for other projects.

kind regards, Nick
 

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The logo on your movement is that of the Regulatorfabrik Germania. Why do you call it Gustav Becker?
 

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Hello.

I like vintage things, typewriters, clocks, etc. i've got two GB clocks, i was wondering what You think about it.

1 Alarm clock octagon with the same sn on mechanism and plate 19759.
2. Two waight clock with sn 1336818, what about case ?

Best Regards.

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Welcome to the forum! The alarm clock dates to 1866...never seen something like and it would be interesting to see what kind of case it would go in. The other clock dates to 1899.

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Hello,

My newest GB clock, the movement has the GB "SILESIA" logo with "P42" and additional letter "P" found on the left side.
The number 378 is found on several places on the case, on the back board someone added "N 389".

As the GB "SILESIA" logo was used between 1906 to 1925 I looked at the GB catalogs that I have from that period trying to identify this clock. In the 1909 and 1912 catalogs I found a similar case in the Freeswinger section but with a round dial.
I found clocks with the same dial in "Wall Clocks" section, but I could not find this clock or model 378.

Is it a Freeswinger or wall clock?
Do we know what is the extra letter "P"?
Any information will be welcomed

Sharon

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Sharon -

Could yours be more of a wall clock? Looks like the pendulum is mostly enclosed. The meaning of the extra "P" has not been determined at this time. I have saved some catalog pages from 1912 which show the Gloria gong. I have a "box" clock with a P42 and letter H (reference to lantern pinions in German) and Gloria gong. I've been told my clock is likely 1925 or 1926. Your dial looks a bit strange to me. Could it be a replacement?

Kurt
 

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Welcome to the forum! The alarm clock dates to 1866...never seen something like and it would be interesting to see what kind of case it would go in. The other clock dates to 1899.

Kurt
Alarm clock was made no earlier than 1877/8. All about them is in this thread. ;)
 
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Alarm clock was made no earlier than 1877/8. All about them is in this thread. ;)
Piotr -

Thanks for that. I did find the discussions where the alarm clocks were grouped together starting around that time. John mentioned several times that he had a third database for the alarm clocks but I couldn't find where he posted those numbers.

Kurt
 

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Piotr -

Thanks for that. I did find the discussions where the alarm clocks were grouped together starting around that time. John mentioned several times that he had a third database for the alarm clocks but I couldn't find where he posted those numbers.

Kurt
I still have problems with searching since the forum engine was changed.:(
Discussion started about the year 2011, when i published alarm clock with the SN 13888. Here's a J.H. quote, summarizing this:
* 1876-1914 Alarm clocks were assigned separate serial numbers from all other GB clocks during this period. My data show at least 810,000 of these clocks were made in this period. It is also evident that after the commencement of WWI serial numbers were no longer assigned to alarm clocks. We don't know for sure why these clocks were handled separately but it is believed this was due to initial sales being based on imported French clocks and movements; then a separate production building was needed for the large quantity being made thus it was logical to control production using a separate serial number series. Keep in view that average production of these clocks during this period was about 21,500 per year, compared to the total of ALL other types of clocks in the order of 50-70,000 per year.

IMHO GB started production of alarm clocks later, at the turn 77/78.
 

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Sharon -

Could yours be more of a wall clock? Looks like the pendulum is mostly enclosed. The meaning of the extra "P" has not been determined at this time. I have saved some catalog pages from 1912 which show the Gloria gong. I have a "box" clock with a P42 and letter H (reference to lantern pinions in German) and Gloria gong. I've been told my clock is likely 1925 or 1926. Your dial looks a bit strange to me. Could it be a replacement?

Kurt
Hi Kurt

I believe the dial is GB original and period correct as there are some clocks in the 1909 and 1912 catalogs with this dial.
If this is a marriage clock (case and dial) someone replaced the round dial with GB square dial and also changed the door and glass (he did a good job).
I do not have GB catalogs between 1912 to 1924, I will keep looking to verify this clock is not in any GB catalog.

Thanks
Sharon
 

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This is marriage, I'm afraid, but probably based on GB parts.
 

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I still have problems with searching since the forum engine was changed.:(
Discussion started about the year 2011, when i published alarm clock with the SN 13888. Here's a J.H. quote, summarizing this:
* 1876-1914 Alarm clocks were assigned separate serial numbers from all other GB clocks during this period. My data show at least 810,000 of these clocks were made in this period. It is also evident that after the commencement of WWI serial numbers were no longer assigned to alarm clocks. We don't know for sure why these clocks were handled separately but it is believed this was due to initial sales being based on imported French clocks and movements; then a separate production building was needed for the large quantity being made thus it was logical to control production using a separate serial number series. Keep in view that average production of these clocks during this period was about 21,500 per year, compared to the total of ALL other types of clocks in the order of 50-70,000 per year.

IMHO GB started production of alarm clocks later, at the turn 77/78.

I read the entire section from the first to the last page. I also tried to find out what this medal was on the clock
 

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Can anyone help me work out what the slot in this (broken) GB P64 pendulum is for or where it attaches? Quite a few GB pendulums of the same size don't seem to have the slot and I'm not sure what it is for. Thanks! It is off a 1903 GB Vienna Regulator.
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Hi All,

I have been looking to buy a GB long-case clock for years until I had a chance to come across this beautiful clock last week.
Both case and mechanics are in excellent condition. This is now my treasure among other clocks I have in my collection.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

Kind Regards,

Ken

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Kamil -

No significant research has been done (that I'm aware of) on the logos on the dial, just the back plate.

Kurt
 

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Hi All,

I have been looking to buy a GB long-case clock for years until I had a chance to come across this beautiful clock last week.
Both case and mechanics are in excellent condition. This is now my treasure among other clocks I have in my collection.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

Kind Regards,

Ken

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I noticed the logo on this movement which would indicate that this movement was produced somewhere from 1923-1932. However there is not a serial number except for the 0 seen on the right side of the back plate. Is there serial number anywhere ? Certainly a nice clock.
 

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eemoore -

I'm not sure what "this movement" is you're referring to. But if there is no serial number plaining visible on the back plate, then there isn't a serial number. The meaning of the "O" on the back plate has not been determined.

Kurt
 

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Hello,

First time poster here. Just purchased this Gustav Becker clock a week or so ago. Did not chime at the time and upon further inspection this past weekend, the spring that goes behind the rack was not in the correct position. After getting that fixed and the hammer adjusted, it chimes beautifully now.
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Unfortunately I did not get a picture of the back of the movement to try to get it dated. At some point I will get a picture of it so I can get a date of the clock.
 

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Hello,

First time poster here. Just purchased this Gustav Becker clock a week or so ago. Did not chime at the time and upon further inspection this past weekend, the spring that goes behind the rack was not in the correct position. After getting that fixed and the hammer adjusted, it chimes beautifully now.

Unfortunately I did not get a picture of the back of the movement to try to get it dated. At some point I will get a picture of it so I can get a date of the clock.
Hello!
Your clock is made in the Austrian branch of Braunau no earlier than 1899.

Regards
Tatyana
 

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Hello!
Your clock is made in the Austrian branch of Braunau no earlier than 1899.

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Tatyana
Thank you for the information. I knew it was old, just not sure on how old. Now I have an idea on approximate age.
 

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eemoore -

I'm not sure what "this movement" is you're referring to. But if there is no serial number plaining visible on the back plate, then there isn't a serial number. The meaning of the "O" on the back plate has not been determined.

Kurt
I was referring to the movement in the post by Ken ADL. , attachment 732416,as I referred to. So i take it that some GB movements were made without serial numbers?
 

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On both of my Beckers there were three points where the serial number is stamped: front plate, back plate, and the spring barrels' frame.

It's possible the serial was stamped somewhere else on the movement, otherwise it's among those few movements that skipped the serial.
The same case shape with some minor differences is seen in the 1928 catalog along with the dual chime movement HWW Gong No. 15:

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Hello,

New to site and new to clocksmithing. I recently purchased a GB Silesia at an estate sale. I've cleaned and oiled it. Had to shorten the pendulum a bit, not sure if it's original. Seems to be keeping time well. I have just one question, how long does the clock run with a fully wound spring. It's a P42 is that helps. I know that relates to the pendulum length, but more.info is better than less. Attached a pic.

thanks, Bill

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Hello,

New to site and new to horology/clocksmithing. I recently purchased a GB Silesia at an estate sale. I've cleaned and oiled it. Had to shorten the pendulum a bit, not sure if it's original. Seems to be keeping time well. I have just one question, how long does the clock run with a fully wound spring. It's a P42 is that helps. I know that relates to the pendulum length, but more.info is better than less. Attached a pic.

thanks, Bill

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Welcome to the forum.

If you provide a picture of the back of the movement, our Becker experts can provide you with a date of manufacture.

Regards.
 
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Welcome to the forum.

If you provide a picture of the back of the movement, our Becker experts can provide you with a date of manufacture.

Regards.
This is the back. I believe since it's a Silesia, it was made in Freiburg some time between 1909 and 1925. I've included another picture of an inscription on the back of the face
Perhaps someone has an idea what it may be.

thanks, Bill

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Similar clocks appear in the 1910 catalog. I don't have the serial number database on hand.
The case style is sometimes known as a Freeswinger, however terminology is subjective.
The dial pan writing is typical of vendors and repairers alike, and without further reference it means virtually nothing.
Half hour coil gong strike on a Gloria Gong or Dom Gong, both of which were produced during the 1910s-1920s time frame.

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Similar clocks appear in the 1910 catalog. I don't have the serial number database on hand.
The case style is sometimes known as a Freeswinger, however terminology is subjective.
The dial pan writing is typical of vendors and repairers alike, and without further reference it means virtually nothing.
Half hour coil gong strike on a Gloria Gong or Dom Gong, both of which were produced during the 1910s-1920s time frame.

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Thank you. As for a serial number, I have not found any on the mechanism. I believe I've read this was common on units coming out of Freiburg. John Hubby mentioned that in a post date Dec. 23, 2008.

thanks, Bill
 
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This is the back. I believe since it's a Silesia, it was made in Freiburg some time between 1909 and 1925. I've included another picture of an inscription on the back of the face
Perhaps someone has an idea what it may be.

thanks, Bill

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Pendulum leader was redone (lower hanger looks like taken from Junghans probably). Could you show the whole pendulum? Motif on the center of the dial should correspod to that on the pendulum bob.

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Pendulum leader was redone (lower hanger looks like taken from Junghans probably). Could you show the whole pendulum? Motif on the center of the dial should correspod to that on the pendulum bob.

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Yeah I'm guessing there may be some different parts. When at the estate sale, there were a number of clocks. Looked like they worked on them. I had to shorten the length of the pendulum, I couldn't raise the bob high enough to keep time. Attached pictures. Is keeping time well now. First clock I worked on, so a learning experience, been fun.

Bill

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I've included another picture of an inscription on the back of the face
Perhaps someone has an idea what it may be.
The writing on the back says: Wegener. Remlingen. S 39400

Wegener is a surname, Remlingen is a small town in Bavaria, near Würzburg.
This was probably written by a repairer and the S 39400 is likely the repair ticket number.

JTD
 

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Pendulum leader was redone (lower hanger looks like taken from Junghans probably). Could you show the whole pendulum? Motif on the center of the dial should correspod to that on the pendulum bob.

View attachment 738565
Yeah I'm guessing there may be some different parts. When at the estate sale, there were a number of clocks. Looked like they worked on them. I had to shorten the length of the pendulum, I couldn't raise the bob high enough time keep time. Attached pictures. Is keeping time well now. First clock I worked on, so a learning experience, been fun

Bill
Yeah I'm guessing there may be some different parts. When at the estate sale, there were a number of clocks. Looked like they worked on them. I had to shorten the length of the pendulum, I couldn't raise the bob high enough to keep time. Attached pictures. Is keeping time well now. First clock I worked on, so a learning experience, been fun.

Bill

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I found what may be the correct pendulum for the clock on ebay. Don't know which leader would be right. With the P42 stamp, I believe it needs to measure 42cm from pivot to bottom of the bob.

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