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Discussion in 'General Clock Discussions' started by Mike306p/Ansoniaman, Jul 5, 2006.
Beautiful clock!! 1884 is correct based on the extensive work by John Hubby on Becker clocks.
I think that this clock was made in the Austrian branch and was made later in 1906.
Thanks to John for the date clarification. What is the "Austrian branch" pray tell
I meant production in Braunau.
Makes sense. Thanks for that bit of info!
This is the first time I've seen such a signature.
II Q - second quality?
Good catch Tatyana! Great subject too. Wonder if that is what that means. We know that Lenzkirch marked their 2nd quality movements so it makes sense that Becker would too. What does everyone else think?
We have seen it before. See post #2952 of this thread.
This movement was alreeady here:
Post Your Gustav Becker Clocks Here
Hello, I recently inherited a Gustav Becker clock and am excited to learn about this very knowledgeable community! I've read 20+ pages from this thread and decided it was time to post my own.
From what I've read of John Hubby's replies, my guess is that it was built around 1909 at the Braunau factory. The S/N is 484138, written on the movement and the pendulum. There is some scratched writing on the back of the movement as well, it looks like initials and maybe the date 12/27/1961. Is it customary for a clock repairer to document their work like this? My only guess is that it was repaired because the patina doesn't look as rough as I would expect from 1909 and to my very untrained self, the bushings don't seem to be in bad shape. The clock isn't running right now - the weight strings were tangled up in the gears and the weights are missing.
I've started cleaning up the case with mineral spirits and am already seeing dramatic improvements. Is there a standard polish or wax that case restorers like to use?
I'm having a real hard time figuring out what weights to buy. From another post, I thought 2.5 lb may be correct, but these seem to be uncommon (at least, on timesavers and clockworks) and 4.5 seems fairly common. Does anyone have advice for size/shape/weight/source for replacement weights? They are expensive enough that I only want to buy them once
Thanks in advance!
Welcome to the message board! Someone will be along to help with the weights question. As for repair marks, I think it's hit or miss if that is done. In a way, it's too bad IMO that the marks are permanent in the plate...today, I think people might sign with a permanent-ish marker pen...or make notations on the inside of the case or the back part.
Maybe someone will have catalog cuts showing the clock. I don't have much knowledge of these types of clocks, but it almost looks like there might have been a top crown? Are there any holes in the top part of the case to suggest that? Maybe not, but the clock looks very nice.
Thanks Kurt! I think you could be right about a top crown - I just noticed 2 holes on the top. When I received the clock, there was candle wax pooled on the top with drippings down the back; came off pretty easily after a few minutes in the sun.
Nice job on the case. If it's smooth to the touch, I'd give it a coat of paste wax and buff.
Thanks Dave! Do you have any suggestions for the face and the little meter-type thing at the bottom of the case? (don't know the name for it)
Not sure what you need. The only picture of the dial (face) is not too clear, but looks to be porcelain, and from what I see it looks okay.
As for the meter thing, you must be referring to a beat scale. I don't see it in the picture either, what do you need?
Gorgeous GB clock. I dream of one day owning a GB 3 weight grand sonnerie to put in my living room, My preference is to leave the finish alone, with the provenance it has; but, I like the cleanup you did. There is a 2 weight GB on Ebay now. It shows the weights. That may be some help. Enjoy in good health!
Dave - the face does look pretty ok; I just wasn't sure if it's fine to use something like 409 or windex to clean the face and beat scale or if I need something softer?
Windex or some such would be fine I'd think. Shouldn't take much.
Windex has ammonia. I'd use something a bit softer, like some Dawn.
Hi! Here is my small collection of Becker clocks. The spring driven is from grandma,1920 something? The weightdriven from 1896 and 1900.
Hi GB fans,
I have really enjoyed reading this thread and learned so much.
Growing up my grandparents had 2 grandfather clocks, one from each of their fathers. I loved them, particularly the one from my grandmother's father, and was fortunate to inherit it for my 21st (a couple of years ago now )
When my gps passed, my mother got the other one. Sadly, it was lost in the Victorian fires 6 months ago so will never know what he was.
I recently had my GFC serviced, as due to living arrangements it hadnt been running for probably 30 years or so. Anyway turns out it is a GB.
My GM told me her father puchased it in the mid 1920s and from the info on this thread, the logo appears to be the 1914-1834 crown & anchor.
When I first started researching, I was confused by the serial number only being 3 digits as most seemed to have a lot more, so wasn't sure what I was looking at was in fact the serial number. But reading John Hubby's dating info regarding the restarting of serial numbers, it makes more sense.
As far as I can make out from the info here, along with the logo and serial number on my clock, I would estimate my GB to be dated around the later part of 1925. Would you agree?
Please see photos attached.
Appreciate any further comments/info.
Welcome the board.
You are probably about right with the date of your clock. However, the P112 is not the serial number, it is the pendulum length in cm.
It's a nice clock and even nicer is the fact that it's an heirloom.
Welcome to the message board! It appears that the serial number is 329 and I think you're correct that it was built in 1925 just after GB changed their numbering system. That synchs up with the story you have that the clock was purchased in the mid 1920s.
Ah yes, I see the little 329, right at the bottom of the pic, well spotted. Since there was no mention of the actual number and the 329 is only visible when pic is enlarged, I thought the OP was talking about the PL.
Thank you Kurt & JTD,
Yes P112 is pendulum length and serial number 329.
Sorry should have highlighted the serial number in original post.
The logo doesn't have SALESIA under the anchor, but it says made in salesia on the silencer above the dial...but the serial number would indicate the Braunau factory? Or did they restart the numbers at both factories? Or would it have been built in Salesia and finished in Braunau?
I suspect that you've read John Hubby's post here:
Post Your Gustav Becker Clocks Here
I think it's quite murky during that time period, as Gustav Becker was winding things down in the late 1920s and finally closed shop in 1932. The letter "M" has never been figured out. So, at first glance, I'd say the clock was made in Freiburg after they changed the numbering system. But who knows!
I just acquired this Gustav Becker Vienna regulator. The movement is bearly hooked in the lightbulb notches without any restraining device. The serial is in the 50000 so I’m guessing it’s 1872. How much is this one worth? The finial seems to be missing but not the crown. Is this fixable and what does it look like.
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We would need to see the movement, front and back. CLEAR PICTURES. And please explain what you mean by "lightbulb notches," though I might be able to guess.
Here are some clear pictures. Sorry for the wait but we were heading home. I like the carvings in this.
The clock was made at the Braunau factory. The serial number dates it to early 1891.
How much is this worth and what does the original look?
I got Gustav Becker Vienna regulator clock. Gustav Becker logo seems unusual to me. I never see DRP between srandard logos. Regards
German Patent No. 63049 was issued in 1892 to Max Martin in Berlin. The patent concerned a strike mechanism with a silent rack.
No doubt Becker had to put this patent number on those of his movement which used this type of rack.
What type of finial and bottom finial would my clock have?
Hard telling. Take a look at some of these: gustav becker wall clock - Google Search
I have looked and looked without any luck.
Any Gustav becker catalog?
I would just compare yours to some other similar clocks and buy the missing pieces that you need, or make them or have them made by a woodworker/cabinetmaker.
Here's a clock that I had missing finials at the bottom. I bought and stained to match. I'm sure they are not original design and maybe not proper proportions. But in the long run, it's finished and who looks at it twice!
Greetings and Salutations- My father in law brought a Gustav Becker Grandfather clock home to Newport News, Va back in the 1970's. I am trying to ascertain it's age and which location it was made. Any help I could get would be greatly appreciated. I also noticed a K on the right side opposite the anchor stamp
Nice old clock Melody, If you refer to post #3022 in this same thread you will see a chart with the logo that will match yours. If I'm correct this clock dates to 1914 - 1934.
Not sure about the K but John Hubby is our resident expert.
Any clues as to where the serial number would be? All I could locate was the anchor logo and the pendulum number and the K.
Not all Beckers have a serial number, so dating them relies on the logo. That's not a serial number, but it is the length of the pendulum ("P") in centimeters. The letter "K" has never been figured out...other letters including H, P, R, and S have been identified however.
I forgot to add a picture of a little plaque that is nailed to the inside door of the clock... Is this supposed to tell me who owned it or information regarding where it came from?
No, that doesn't really help with what you want to know - it is just the retailer's name and address.
OK, so that would be the store that sold this clock possibly. Thank you so much for all of your help! It's much appreciated.
This plaque has the name of the watchmaker: E.O Janssen. The others titles are the name of the city Wesermünde in the north of Germany and the State of Germany.
The below information is part of the work that John Hubby has researched and developed on GB. It supports the 1914 - 1934 date range that Dave T provided in the above post # 3191 which was based on the Trademark and possibly narrows the date range to 1926 - 1932 based on non-serial numbered clocks.
"It appears that from 1926 until the Freiburg factory was closed at the end of 1932, the Braunau factory was used to assemble non-serial numbered clocks for GB."
Here is my latest GB clock.Tthe works are stamped "p64" and the serial # is "1422850". My uneducated guess is it was probably built around 1900?
Raymond, your "uneducated guess" is nearly spot on. According to the data researched and assembled by John Hubby, your clock was built in 1899.
1899: 1366001 1900: 1441001 - Serial Number at the beginning of the year.