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John, thanks for your inquiry and posting of the photos of your clock. Based on the serial number, it was made in 4th quarter 1908 and is Model No. 401 as illustrated in the 1912 GB catalog published by our member Victor Tang. Your clock was made only a year after GB first introduced the Westminster Chime bracket clocks to their lineup. I'm attaching a scan of the catalog illustration, your clock is "identical" to the one featured.Here's a Becker bracket clock my Dad bought 40-45 years ago. The case is oak, beveled front and side glasses, Westminster chime, serial number is 2061469. The cast iron block for the chime rods is round and attached to the top of the clock. The mark on the back plate is Gustav Becker, Freiburg (illegible), around an anchor in a circle. There's another mark stamped in the back plate but DRGM is all I can read from it.
Thanks for posting your inquiry and the photos. I have several similar clocks in my database and will be able to date yours (pre-1900) if I could read the serial number in the photo. Could you post the photos again in much larger format? These are the size of avatar pics and need to be "MUCH" larger to see any detail. Try for 800 x 640 pixels or in the order of 100KB each. Thanks in advance for your help!Her'e a recent Becker unusual find. It's a miniature alarm clock at about 8" tall. Anyone ever run across these?
Bill, thanks much for posting, definitely what was needed! The first thing I noticed is the GB Braunau circular logo, indicating the movement was finished if not made in the Braunau, Bohemia factory. Notice the "Braunau i Boehm" stamped at the bottom of the GB anchor circle, with "Freib i Schl." inside that under the anchor. This is definitely the Braunau logo found on examples representing over 920,000 clocks made/finished in Braunau.Hi John,
Hope these pictures are better
Story 2:The Freiburg clocks using this identical movement and stamped with serial numbers were made beginning around 1878 and continued in relatively large numbers (actually, thousands of them) to the end of 1889, then no more recorded after that (so far). It could be that alarm clock production after 1889 was with only a GB logo and no serial number, see Story 2. The lowest serial number documented is 161127 and the highest 736895. Curiously enough, the serial numbers on the two "Braunau" clocks being 501226 and 507187 happen to fall in 1885 if they had been made in Freiburg, before the Braunau factory was started three years later in early 1888. Being stamped with the Braunau logo, but with serial numbers that would indicate manufacture there nearly 20 years after their production ceased in Freiburg, I can't help but wonder if in fact these were "new old stock" from Freiburg that had been stamped with a serial number but not the logo, and then finished in Braunau at the time that factory was getting started in 1888 or perhaps in 1889 when production of serial numbered movements was winding down in Freiburg. Possible? Sure, there were many accommodations made of this nature in the industry.
There's no way to know for certain if these are Braunau "originals" or whether the movements were made in Freiburg and then finished in Braunau, or in one of the above scenarios. That would require some definitive information such as a presentation date or a repair date inscribed on the clock/movement.Alarm clocks are shown in the GB 1912 catalog published by our member Victor Tang. The illustrations include models with identical case, dial, and other features as the huge majority of these made in Freiburg in the 1878-1889 period noted above. However, the catalog notes show these were available either with lever escapement or pendulum escapement; unfortunately the actual movements are not shown for either one but I have seen these stamped with Freiburg logos (GB Anchor only) and no serial number but otherwise identical to the late 1880's version. So . . now we have un-numbered movements available in about the same time frame as your clock would be had it been finished in Braunau with a then-current (1909) Braunau serial number. We also know that Braunau "did" make or finish Amerikaner design "SILESIA" grade movements and stamp them with the Braunau logo and serial number from around 1911 until at least 1925. This being the case, with unmarked movements made in Freiburg and a known practice of stamping both logo and serial number in Braunau on "all" their clocks, it then becomes quite possible that in 1909 Braunau took some unfinished movements from Freiburg, stamped them with their logos and current serial number, and completed the clocks there.
Kristof, thanks for posting the photos and your inquiry about your GB clock. You have a very attractive table model clock with typical Junghans style hands and case that were made and sold after the Freiburg factory was closed.
One thing unusual about the clock is that it has a GB design movement instead of the "usual" Junghans designs that are normally found after 1932. In checking my database, I found several others completed in 1933 and 1934 that were fitted with the GB design movement. In a complete review of my data it also appears that 1934 was the last year these robust movements have been found, the last one in my data dated November 1934 about two years after the Freiburg factory closed.
I had previously concluded that production of the GB design movements was discontinued when Freiburg was closed, and that in fact may have been the case. It is quite possible there could have been a number of movements that had been completed in Freiburg but not placed in complete clocks, that were transferred to Schramberg after the factory closing and placed in Junghans design cases. I'm almost certain these were made in Freiburg since they are stamped with what I call the "fancy" GB anchor logo that was used in Freiburg for many years going back to at least 1908 on the Amerkaner style movements. Junghans movements have only been found with a much smaller and simpler GB anchor logo.
For now, the conclusion would be "Freiburg movement, Schramberg case" for your clock. We might be able to identify the case design when our member Victor Tang has the time to publish some Junghans/Becker catalogs from the 1930's.
I do have some questions. I see this is a "bim-bam" striking movement. Does it strike only hour and half-hour, or does it strike the quarters as well? Also, do you know if it has rack strike or countwheel strike? The answers to these will help with documentation of this type of movement.
Piotr, thanks much for posting the trio of weckeruhr. I did notice that whoever stamped the logos on serial 13888 must have had a bad hangover, being they are upside down . .On our meeting in Srebrna Góra (Silberberg) we had three extraordinary guests from Freiburg (No wonder - Reise weckeruhr...). I've never seen before GB clocks with so small SN. And with Medaille d'Or...
Unlucky "13XXX" has a special flaw...
Photos made by Ulan.
Piotr, thanks for your followup. Regarding the clock owner's story about start of mass production by GB in the 1860's, the actual production numbers do not support this happening as there was only relatively small annual increases in production until the 1870's and in particular from the period 1875 to 1880. My data show production in 1860 to be just under 1,200 clocks, increasing to 6,000 in 1870 or less than 20% per year increase. By 1875 the production was nearly 20,000 and by 1880 more than doubled to over 41,000.
I am away from home at present with no access to my research files, but I recall the "Medaille d'Or" was specifically awarded at an exposition (Vienna?) about September or October 1875. I seriously doubt that this stamp appeared on any GB clock made prior to that date however am open to proof such as a contemporary trade magazine article, advertisement, or the like.
Also, I've made a quick check of my file of photos of the Medaille d'Or, and do find there were variations in the design that transpired over the time of its use from 1875 to the end of 1925. At this writing I have identified four distinct variations and possibly a fifth, that could not be the result of worn dies or mis-stampings. However, there were also "many" that show the effects of die breakage and wear, how heavily the die was stamped or whether it was mis-aligned. I have not found anything yet that looks like a Prussian eagle in the center, if you have a clear photo showing that feature with a specific clock serial number that would be very welcome.
I plan to follow up on the Medaille d'Or question, to see what concrete information can be developed as well as to document the variants of the design. I'll post here after I've had more time to search my files for examples.
This story has been used by some to allude that this medal was the Medaille d'Or, however there is a photo of Gustav Becker wearing the gold medal presented in 1852 and it bears no resemblance to the Medaille d'Or design.Originally posted by Tarant
Another story says about Golden Medal granted on Silesian Trade Exhibition in 1852....
Firstly, welcome to the NAWCC Message Board and thanks for posting your inquiry and the photos. As already noted, this clock was made at the Gustav Becker Braunau, Bohemia factory which had a completely different set of serial numbers with no correlation to those used by the Freiburg, Silesia factory that are commonly found on the Internet. Using the Freiburg numbers "would" show manufacturing dates close to those you mention had the clock been made in Freiburg but those aren't applicable to the clock.I would really like to know the name of my neighbor's Becker clock, if it has one. I understand it was made between 1872 and 1875 and using both fingers and toes estimated it's origin closer to May-August of 1874 but...
Here are a couple of shots to help realize the date and model of my friends Becker... if possible.
I have found the strike block in the form of a church a little sinister - the block is hidden for most of its life. Was the designer religious, and happy in the possible knowledge that the striking of the hour would be to the glory of his god?
Ceremony took place in Furstenberg Castle, near Freiburg.
And another interesting thing. In the middle of the cross you may see on early signatures a Prussian eagle. On later - something like blurred flower only.
This would definitely be for a hall clock, being the pendulum size stamped on the movement is P115, confirming your observation it is a seconds-beat clock.Hello Colleagues! Recently I was lucky to purchase an interesting GB weight-driven movement that, I suppose, belonged to a hall clock. What is most interesting is that it's not chain-driven as usual, and it has a seconds sub-dial on the dial.
The dial size is another confirmation of this being a movement for a hall clock. Although the GB circular logo is barely visible I am certain it is for the Braunau factory. Being from Braunau, the serial number indicates it was made at the end of 1920. The "Made in Tschechoslovakia" stamp is further confirmation, as this is only found on Braunau clocks starting from the time of the WWI armistice in November 1918 when Tschechoslovakia was declared an independent country as a part of the armistice settlement. Another indicator is the very long strike hammer rod, that more than likely had a multiple hammer assembly striking on something like the GB Harfen-Gong, side strike. I've posted a scan below of this gong as illustrated in the 1912 catalog.The dial size is approx 27 cm, pendulum crutch is quite long. According to anchor wheel, this is a seconds-beat movement. It is said "Made in Chechoslovakia" and serial number 853078 on the back.
IMO definitely a hall clock but I have no examples in my data of what it might look like. However, the hall clocks illustrated in the 1924 GB catalog published by our member Victor Tang would most likely be of interest; I have posted a scan of Model 2654 as an example. I think any of the simple styled bevel glass door types would be suitable, I notice the hands on these clocks are identical to your clock.My questions are: what clock it was initially? What was an original case looked like and what could be used as a replacement numbers for the dial? Most of the original letters were lost (originally they were just glued to the dial sheet). What approximate weights this movement should take?
Many thanks in advance!
Adam, thanks very much for posting the photo of the actual medal and the logo, which I agree definitely has an eagle stamped in the center. It is also very interesting to see the striking similarity between the cross of the medal and that stamped in the logo, which I believe clearly confirms that the "Medaille d'Or" logo found on GB clocks from late third quarter 1875 coincides with the medal presentation and is definitively representative of the medal awarded at the Fürstenstein Castle ceremony.In this sentence should be Fürstenstein Castle not Furstenberg.
(Photos of Königlicher Preußischer Kronenorden IV Klasse and GB Medaille d'Or Logo) SN:196386
Flowers between words "Medaille D'or" also has evolved.
Yot, firstly welcome to the NAWCC Message Board and thanks for posting your inquiry and the clock photos. Actually the date of 1886 you have mentioned is correct based on the serial number of this clock.Hello all! Greeting from Thailand.
Firstly, I would like to thank you to John Hubby for expedient posts, which give me very good knowledge of GB clocks dating identify.
Here, I post pictures of my friends's GB alarm clock, which make me confuse to identify the date because it's stamp FRIBURG LOGO (as 1899-1926) with sr.no. 581129 (as made 1886, out of LOGO time period).
Please help to identified the date. Yot
Yot, thanks very much for the photo. The back cover is identical to a GB alarm clock made in 1887 that I have in my database, with a bell fixed to the center. I'm posting photos of front and back, you can see the bell in the photo. If you can provide a photo of the inside of the cover with the bell as Ulan has asked that would be very much appreciated.Thank you for warm welcome, Jurgen. and thank you very much John Hubby for your prompt reply.
I have attached back cover photo of this clock below, it looks same to your attached photo but little bit more decorative and also functional as bell.
Yot, nice clock.
Would you mind to show me the back side of the cover?
From the picture I see the screw in the centre - is this fixing of the cover to the case or/and holding bell?
Yot, thanks very much for the photo. The back cover is identical to a GB alarm clock made in 1887 that I have in my database, with a bell fixed to the center. I'm posting photos of front and back, you can see the bell in the photo. If you can provide a photo of the inside of the cover with the bell as Ulan has asked that would be very much appreciated.