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Hello,
Sharing pictures of my latest find - nice GB skeleton clock. BHA logo, movement SN 2131386, pendulum SN 21321388. I think pendulum is original to this clock. Any comments would be interesting :) Regards
Gintaras

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This is one of a cluster of skeleton clocks made by Becker all with serial numbers beginning with 213. In my records the lower numbers are marked BHA and the rest have the normal Becker gold medal stamps. The pendulum is original but it looks like you added another 2 in the number. The disks of this type that I've recorded with skeleton clocks in the 213 cluster, and could confirm were original to the clock, have a ribbed outer edge. The same type pendulum found with a standard clock has a smooth edge.

Thanks for sharing.
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A Gustav Becker skeleton clock is on my bucket list! The serial number dates the clock to first few months of 1910.

Kurt
I think Kurt a skeleton clock is on all our bucket lists but my list also includes an Atmos.
 

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This is one of a cluster of skeleton clocks made by Becker all with serial numbers beginning with 213. In my records the lower numbers are marked BHA and the rest have the normal Becker gold medal stamps. The pendulum is original but it looks like you added another 2 in the number. The disks of this type that I've recorded with skeleton clocks in the 213 cluster, and could confirm were original to the clock, have a ribbed outer edge. The same type pendulum found with a standard clock has a smooth edge.

Thanks for sharing.
Eric
Eric,
what do you have in mind saying that I added another 2 in the number? regards
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Gintaras -

Eric was pointing out what you wrote:

Sharing pictures of my latest find - nice GB skeleton clock. BHA logo, movement SN 2131386, pendulum SN 21321388.
I've highlighted the extra "2" in red font and made it bigger.

Kurt
 
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Eric,
what do you have in mind saying that I added another 2 in the number? regards
Gintaras
As Kurt said.

I need to add your pendulum is the correct style for a BHA or Becker skeleton clock and, even though the numbers don't precisely match between the movement and the pendulum, it is probably the original for your clock.
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Both Becker and BHA clocks on either side of the cluster of skeleton clocks use a different pendulum.

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Eric -

So you're saying that Gintaras' pendulum is correct for the period? I have a BHA clock with S/N 210xxxx and it does not have the ribbed edge of the pendulum disk and the top plate of the gallery is completely flat...also no screws on the edges. The S/N of the plate and pendulum match. So before the cluster of skeleton clocks, the pendulums were "plain" and then at some point they went to the "fancier" pendulums. My collection of GBs seem to suggest that early on they were "fancy" and then later on they became "plain". My first "plain" GB is S/N 226xxxx...unfortunately, that clock's pendulum is unmarked.

Strange that the serial numbers of Gintara's clock are different but yet the thought is they left the factory that way. Did someone make a mistake? Is there a combination on another GB clock with the reversal of numbers on the plate/pendulum?

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Eric -

So you're saying that Gintaras' pendulum is correct for the period? I have a BHA clock with S/N 210xxxx and it does not have the ribbed edge of the pendulum disk and the top plate of the gallery is completely flat...also no screws on the edges. The S/N of the plate and pendulum match. So before the cluster of skeleton clocks, the pendulums were "plain" and then at some point they went to the "fancier" pendulums. My collection of GBs seem to suggest that early on they were "fancy" and then later on they became "plain". My first "plain" GB is S/N 226xxxx...unfortunately, that clock's pendulum is unmarked.

Strange that the serial numbers of Gintara's clock are different but yet the thought is they left the factory that way. Did someone make a mistake? Is there a combination on another GB clock with the reversal of numbers on the plate/pendulum?

Kurt
It's correct for a skeleton clock.

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I would really like to say that Becker ended their production with their worst pendulum but that doesn't bear out. They did start with more interesting ones, but somewhere in the middle the switched to their much cheaper design. This eyesore:
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Not much later they pulled back from the edge and made the one with thicker flat plates and decorative screws which was dominant until they went under.
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Both of these were used together for a while.

As for the numbers on Gintaras' clock I offer that I acquired my first Becker from someone who said they got it from the grandson of the original owner. That's probably true. The clock was sold by the Kuehl Clock Co. in the 1920s and is marked on the dial. The number on the movement is 2443149 and the pendulum is 2443159. Now it is possible that the pendulum was swapped with the wrong numbered one after the clock was sold, but that would take having a second clock from the same batch in the same location at the same time. Not very likely. Now being a distributor K.C.Co would have had batches of clocks on hand and as such could have easily swapped the pendulums from clocks in the same batch before they were sold. I could be flat wrong but that's how I see it.

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Curious why they would be swapped before being sold. Damage in some fashion? One possibility, especially after 1915 when GB came out with their 4-ball pendulum, if a customer liked the 4-ball better than the disk, the dealer might swap those in the store to make the sale.

In your case, that "4" and "5" look very nearly the same. Same with Gintaras' clock with the last digits being "6" and "8".

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Curious why they would be swapped before being sold. Damage in some fashion? One possibility, especially after 1915 when GB came out with their 4-ball pendulum, if a customer liked the 4-ball better than the disk, the dealer might swap those in the store to make the sale.

In your case, that "4" and "5" look very nearly the same. Same with Gintaras' clock with the last digits being "6" and "8".

Kurt
Probably something simpler than that. The pendulums all look the same and the numbers on the bottoms are difficult to read. I need bright lights and a magnifier to read some of the numbers on the Becker pendulums I own.

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Just purchased a totally complete GB including key original dome and spring guard but it looks like someone has been playing football with the base, my question, is it possible to strip the base completely so I can remove dents or are the outer shell crimped like some others , I think the clock is between 1910 and 1915 but a friend is collecting it from the the other end of the country so I will be able to post pictures and serial number when I get it, I am asking about the base now so if I need to look for a new base I can start looking because I don’t know when I will receive the clock.
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I can't remember about the full range. I recently worked on one from 1906 and it had a metal plate which sandwiched a round piece of wood for strength...that was held in place by the two posts and one screw in the back. So the complete brass base was exposed.

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Thanks Kurt
Hopefully my one will be the same , I am a coach builder by trade so I am used to panel beating but not on such a small bit of metal.
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Well the clock turned up today in one piece, the base is not as bad as it looked in picture, I don’t think that will be to difficult to remove dents, the serial number on pendulum is the same. 2002E2BB-AB46-478D-B17F-59F90A0CB42C.jpeg EE25487D-A835-4D99-828A-4247D960778A.jpeg 2928CF68-0ACC-4439-BC7D-D5051977C8B7.jpeg 495FC110-3E6D-477B-B7F6-D04A345F7EF6.jpeg A1673CA7-527C-49A3-B930-029C944C492E.jpeg 22B65CEF-7F98-4D38-B3D6-1E3CE8EE2993.jpeg 25A2126A-07E0-43CB-A76D-76B59E53775B.jpeg
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Clock dates to first half of 1913. I think the pendulum is one of the latter ones used as GB was thinking about making things less costly. I will be interesting to see what you can do about the dents.

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Thanks Kurt
I have a few JUF’s to do before I get to it but I am bidding on a good base just in case, what is the screw in base for , I only have a one other Becker and that has a oak case so not taken any notice of it before.
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That screw towards the back of the base top? From what I've seen that is the third anchor point for the support structure underneath.

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Clock dates to first half of 1913. I think the pendulum is one of the latter ones used as GB was thinking about making things less costly. I will be interesting to see what you can do about the dents.

Kurt
I have never seen so much congealed oil on a torsion clock including on wheels and pinions.
Have removed 98% of the dents from the base, the bonus is that the base can be put in any position so I can put it at the back , see before and after pictures.
Dell
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Hello. I believe this is a Gustav Becker Anniversary Clock. My father took great pride in this clock but sadly the dome was broken and it hasn’t really worked since. How do I find out what it is? See photographs.
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Hi Pinkster
It looks very much like a Jahresuhrenfabric to me but a close up picture of backplate will help.
 

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Welcome to the message board, Pinkster! As Dell pointed out, it's really a JUF clock. I searched the forum on the patent number 403658 and it pointed me to this thread, started by Dell. Should give you more information:

Dating JUF torsion clocks | NAWCC Forums

I have a JUF with a serial number a little bigger than yours, and I've dated my clock to around 1912, so yours is in that range, maybe 1911.

It looks like there is not a "Post a picture of your JUF clock", so no place to relocate these posts. But clearly, it's not a Gustav Becker.

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Wow thank you all so much for the information and responding. I will be able to dig a little deeper now. For your information I have attached photographs of the back plate. Again thank you for your help.
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Well finished the Gustav Becker, reasonably happy with it apart from the base centre is plated steel with most of the plating gone hence the burgundy baize but that will suffice until I find another.
Dell
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Wow that's some rotation...450 degrees! I bet you turned the pendulum extra and then shot the video! ;) Nice work!

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Thanks Kurt
It has since settled to about 360 rotation but this morning it’s a prime example of the torsion spring listing not being correct on some plates in the Horolovar book as I have to fit a thicker spring.
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So here’s my next question. How do I find someone that could possibly restore my above clock and a dome replacement and what sort of cost would it be? Thank you in advance for any responses.
 

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Here in the US, there are quite a few local chapters of the NAWCC. If you click on Local Chapters at the top of the page, look for them in the UK. I didn't find much. You'll have to wait for other members, Dell for one, to weigh in on what your options are. Costs will depend on what is wrong with the clock and how deep you want to go...full restoration even of the case or just the movement. I'm a hobbyist so I have no real basis for pricing out what a repair/overhaul might cost

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So here’s my next question. How do I find someone that could possibly restore my above clock and a dome replacement and what sort of cost would it be? Thank you in advance for any responses.
Have sent you a PM
 

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My 1913 Gustav Becker picture in post 724 has two pin holes and a threaded hole in middle of the two pin holes on front plate below dial, I presume it should have a spandrel on it anyone know what one because I think there were three .
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Dell -

Not sure about the hole in the middle, but the two outer screw holes were for holding a small decorative piece of brass. There were three styles as in Appendix 87 of the repair guide. One example is below.

Kurt

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I remember reading in this forum somewhere that along with the three spandrel options, some were sold without the spandrels, but the mounting holes were still present. I think it was a John Hubby thread but unfortunately cannot find it.
 
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Hi Kurt
Yes I have seen that in the book but I was wondering if there was any order date wise as to what one or as Michael said none, hadn’t noticed that they were threaded will have a look.
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Hi Kurt
Yes I have seen that in the book but I was wondering if there was any order date wise as to what one or as Michael said none, hadn’t noticed that they were threaded will have a look.
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I think there's more to it than just dates for the trim pieces (not spandrels). You really can't tell from looking a the picture on page 230 of the repair guide, but the "A" trim piece contains the flowers representing the UK, the Rose, Thistle, and Shamrock. To me that would suggest it was for that market. The "B" trim has what look like tulips which I believe are common in Europe, and the "C" trim looks like dogwood flowers and berries which are not common in Europe but are in the USA.

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Thanks Kurt & Eric looks like I need A according to JH dating
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I have 8 Beckers that have this brass piece below the dial. I looked at the pieces and compared them to the date ranges offered by John. For style A, I have four clocks that are all within the dates given. For Style B, I have just one clock that meets the date range. And for Style C, there are three clocks that also fall within the range. Seems to suggest that his dating is relatively correct. Interestingly, I have one clock that falls within the Style A range but there are no holes for the brass piece, although there is the hole in the center between where the holes would have been.

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I picked this Becker up at the last Birmingham clock fair from the person I shared a stall with.
I have been trying to thin my collection ,sold ten and bought three so at least I'm going the right direction!
I presume it comes under the label of Arts and Crafts ?.
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The alloy bits were copper plaited and the dial had turned black , I will leave it as it is now.
I am getting about 220 degrees rotation at the moment ,
And am waiting delivery on a longer SS and when it arrives will try and improve on it.

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The movement dates to early 1912. That sure will look nice with a longer suspension spring! :clap:

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Good job you got there before me lol I had to make do with the world clock.
Thinning out is buying more clocks, I think I have that the right way round.
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I picked this Becker up at the last Birmingham clock fair from the person I shared a stall with.
I have been trying to thin my collection ,sold ten and bought three so at least I'm going the right direction!
I presume it comes under the label of Arts and Crafts ?.
Ser no 2236896.
The alloy bits were copper plaited and the dial had turned black , I will leave it as it is now.
I am getting about 220 degrees rotation at the moment ,
And am waiting delivery on a longer SS and when it arrives will try and improve on it.

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Completed now with a long 0.45 spring.
Thought I would have to thin it but it is keeping time without.
Getting 250 deg rotation.
This is an awkward clock to work on, even a fork adjustment and you have to take the movement out.
John
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I don't think this is a Becker. I don't recall Gustav Becker ever used those types of pendulums. From the looks of it, I think this is a JUF...plate 1439. I believe that JUF used serial numbers only from about 1919 to 1921.

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Thanks, guys, but I'm a bit baffled. Terwilliger's book, P195 Pendulum 9, shows that pendulum as a 1905 GB, Plate 1201. The plate in the seller's photo looks like 1201 although it doesn't show the trade marks, maybe because of the reflection, but it does have both disc and four ball pendulums. That's why I saw it as a GB. I do agree it also looks like 1439.

Just to complicate things, the saddle looks like the Kienzle on Page 203 Item 15.

I know there were a few mistakes in Mr T's book. Is this one of them?

Auction ends on Sunday and I don't need another JUF! Although the pendulum is tempting.
 

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Many holes, errors, and omissions in the repair guide, especially prior to WWII. Eric has started a thread on all of this here on the forum. Check the link at the top of the 400 Day main page.

Kurt
 

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Thanks, Kurt. That gives the pendulum as Andreas Huber, 1911. So it looks likely to be the JUF you've all told me about - the S/N fits that, too. Now I have to think whether the damn thing will run with that pendulum, assuming it's a later marriage. And I'm still wondering about the saddle.
I guess I'm too new to this to have realised that each manufacturer had a vast array of minor alterations in their range.
 

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