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Discussion in 'General Clock Discussions' started by Charlie, Jan 16, 2004.
I'm sorry, I'm adding a better photo.
Jan, thanks very much for the additional photo. This clock was made at the beginning of 1881 based on the movement serial number. I have several very similar models in my data that begin around 1875 and continue being made into the late 1880s near the end of production in 1890. The dial on your clock is somewhat typical of many of these being made of glass with paper or painted design behind the glass. It is too bad that the glass is broken on yours, and it appears the dial may have been back-painted although sometimes the paper will tear together with the cracks in the glass.
I need to mention here that I have updated my Farcot dating tables to reflect finding dated patent information in the 1870s and early 1880s that has required some adjustments to be made between about 1868 and all the way to the mid-1880s. I will be posting an updated dating table later after it has been thoroughly reviewed.
Please tell me, in what years was this movement made?Such a plate I have not yet met.This is Arita (Imari) ?Perhaps someone understands Japanese ceramics
Wien, thanks for posting your beautiful Farcot clock. Based on the movement serial number it was made in early 1884.
Actually I suspect the plate was made in France even though it is distinctively in the Imari style. I have documented several other clocks with Imari style designs that have logos or names of well-known French porcelain makers incorporated in the plates. Here is one that has a serial number close to yours:
Look first at the back of the plate, there should be some kind of maker mark there. Some examples include Croisy le Roi, Creil Montereau, F. B. Paris, and B & Cie. Their mark can be impressed in the porcelain or be a stamp that was fired into the plate when it was finished. Please show some photos of whatever you may find there. It is also possible to be some mark or stamp in the front center of the plate behind the movement.
It will be appreciated if you could measure the diameter of the plate and also of the dial inside the bezel. These plate clocks were generally made in two sizes so that information will help in the documentation of your clock.
I didn't find any stamps on the plate.In the center of the plate, the a circle is cut out for movement mounting.Perhaps the stamp was centered on the plate.The plate diameter 38 cm.The inner diameter of the dial before the bezel 15.5 cm
Wien, thanks very much for the additional photos! I believe you are correct that the porcelain plate maker's logo was removed when the center of the plate was cut out to provide for the movement mount. I have other clocks of this same construction documented that have the logo still visible, including one where the logo has been cut in half by the removal of the center. Here are some photos:
Note the partial logo for Creil Montereau in the first photo. You can see that when they cut out the center of the plate it went right through the logo. This clock is the same size as yours, has an identical dial and hands, and is also fitted with a time & strike movement. Note in the second photo the movement mounting board is identical and there is a fragment left of the original Farcot label just below the hanger, in the same position of what remains of the label on your clock. The plate design is definitely Imari school; in fact most of the plates of Imari design I have documented so far with Farcot clocks were made by Creil Montereau. Others include Croissy le Roi that I mentioned earlier.
For info, the Imari school of porcelain design was initiated in France during the 17th century, in the Chantilly factory of Oise, France and the Rouen factory in Normandy. These factories were granted patents by King Louis XV in 1735 to manufacture porcelain "façon de Japon" or "in imitation of the porcelain of Japan" and they or their successors continued manufacture of Imari design porcelain to this day.
You have a very beautiful clock and we know it is by Farcot, so I am showing it in my database has having a plate likely made by Creil Montereau but definitively of French origin.
Thank you very much for such detailed and exhaustive information.
by the serial number 56089 on the movement of Eugene Farcot of my other wall clock, was it 1884?A plate in this style I also never met anywhere before.Please tell us your opinion about the mechanism and the plate.I did not find anywhere a brand or seal on a plate. I'm very interested in who and when this plate was made.The clock is in excellent working order.
Kind regard Viktor.
Curious if this is perhaps a Farcot. Small smelter statue with time only movement. Clock came with base and is missing glass cover. Runs excellent with this tiny pendulum and keeps good time. Has a couple of tinY pieces missing on the decor. You have to really look to see. Estate find paid $150 too high in my opinion.
But with the chance it was Farcot I bought it any way.
Appreciate any comments or info on this clock. Hope John Hubby may see it.
Thanks in advance.
Gary, I don't recognise the logo on your clock and can't find it after a brief search. But though this is clearly a French clock, I am pretty certain this is not a Farcot.
But there is at least one Farcot expert on this site and I hope we shall hear from them soon.
Gary, you will be pleased to know you have a "real" Farcot clock. This logo was introduced in 1877 after winning a bronze medal at an exposition, and continued to be used at least through 1887 based on the examples I have documented. With your clock I now have 17 examples with this logo. Based on the movement serial number your clock was made near the end of 1881.
JTD, take a close look at the logo, underneath the circle with "Medaille de Bronze" is the following: Fot Brevete. The "Fot" is an abbreviation of "Farcot".
Have you been able to test how long this one runs? This particular movement seems to be scarce, being small in size but with what appears an oversize mainspring barrel. I suspect it will run 14 days or more on a full wind.
What metal is the case made of? You mentioned "smelter" but may have intended to type "spelter" (aka white metal). Farcot used cast iron, bronze, brass, and white metal, with most of them being gilded. I don't see any evidence of gilding on yours but it also appears to have been exposed (no dome) for many years. For info, a replacement dome of the proper shape will cost at least 50% more than what you paid for the clock, and properly restored could be worth the effort.
Since we can confirm your clock is a Farcot, I will move this thread together with the "Post Your Farcot Clock Here" thread for continued discussion and archival purposes.
Yes, I stand corrected, it is certainly a Farcot logo - I forgot about this variant mark and my old eyes missed the give-away Fot. I feel ashamed for missing this one, because I am very fond of Farcot clocks and keep an eye open for them.
Thank you, John Hubby, for putting me right and for confirming Gary's hope.
Viktor, your other clock had serial number 56691, only 602 digits later than this one. Both of them were made in early 1884 based on my present database information.
Without a logo stamp on the plate we can't say with certainty who made it. However, I do have two other plate clocks in my data with similar floral design patterns and that are the exact size and shape as yours, that have the Choissy le Roi logo. These clocks are from the same period as yours, one late 1883 and the other mid-1884 based on the serial number of the movements. These clocks also have identical movement and dial designs, so I think it would be reasonable to believe that your plate was also made by Choissy le Roi. Why there is no logo stamp is a mystery, but we do know there were only a few suppliers of these porcelain plates to Farcot and generally the physical shape of the plates correspond to the makers.
Thanks so much for your time and comments on my clock.
If you happen to see this and have time. Curious what type of restoration can be done on spelter? Not sure if you meant this or were just commenting on purcjasing a glass cover.
Thanks for your time and comments my clocks.
I have in my collection still such brass wall clock Farcot with the serial number of the mechanism 69962.This movement is apparently 1887-1888.Movement has a very accurate move.
I have in my collection still such wall clocks Farcot.Serial number of the movement 38924
Manufacturing time 1878-1879 years.In perfect and working condition.Strike half hour and an hour.
Hello John, I would like to ask you for a favor. I had a chance to repair a clock for a local museum, which is looks like as a Farcot clock. And here is the "but", there is no mark, only a serial number 8350 (see picture). Even the winding is interesting - the movement is winding up with chain. Pictures which I find about similar clocks was with a strip winding. Could you please tell me, that is it really a Farcot clock? Thank you.
PS.: Sorry for my english.
Hello all members of this forum. I am Franklin and I live in The Netherlands. I also have a Farcot clock with a very low serial number. It is number 1606, which is, according to my research a clock from about 1870. Can anyone confirm this?
I will try to post some more pictures as soon as I can. Thanks in advance.
Hello John Hubby. Three more Farcots to add to the growing collection. I picked them up at an auction several months ago and would love to know the approximate dates if you can help out. The little blue one has no makers mark on the plates, but I've seen the same gold painted decoration on a bigger Farcot clock.
Approximate sizes are:
Clock A - 36cm tall, 22cm wide, 10cm deep, dial is 11cm across
Clock B - 22cm tall, 12.5cm wide, 8cm deep, dial is 5.5cm across
Clock C - 47cm tall (not including the chain), 35cm wide, 14cm deep, dial is 15cm across
Many thanks, Andrew
Hi we came across this clock and reading through our serial number is later then the last one posted I do not know if this thread is still active but any help would be greatly appreciated thanks.
I had previously posted my clock in new finds and was told it should be in the Farcot listing. Since I do not know how to transfer it I will repost it. Does any one have information as to when it was made?
I have today wound the clock and leveled the mechanism it is keeping time with an acceptable beat. Would still like to know when it was made.
Hello John Hubby I have not had any response on the approximate manufacturing date of my clock. Can you help?
Picked this up at a mall this weekend. Was listed as German but I thought it was French, found out it's a Farcot. Any particular name for this style of clock?