Post Your Comtoise (Morbier/Morez) Clocks Here

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  1. peterc6

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    My personal email is: peterc6@bellsouth.net If you have any further information for me, I wont disclose any discreet sources.

    Thank You!

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  2. Jeremy Woodoff

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    Mike,

    Your clock has one of the earlier style of pressed-brass fronts. Perhaps 1860s or 1870s. I would guess it also has a verge and crown wheel escapement.
     
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    #53 Mike306p/Ansoniaman, Mar 8, 2010
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    Yes Thanks Jeremy, it is a crown wheel . Just got it today and have yet to have the guy find the weights and the pendulum. Mike

    A little history on my new acquisition 03-08-2010. My friends family was in France in 1959 and his family was given the clock by a French family when they came back to the states in 1959. It has been sitting in his parents' garage since 1959 -60 era. He says he has the rest so I am waiting for his phone call. Mike
    The clock has written in fancy script, Hettich on the dial below the 12 and Reims above the 6.:Party:
     
  4. Don DeMarcus

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    Mike
    What else did you find today?

    Knowing you this is not all.
     
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    Mike, thanks for your email. What is the dial size of your clock?
     
  6. Mike306p/Ansoniaman

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    Stephen it is quite small at 8 3/4 maybe 9 inches across but part of it is under the brass faceplate. Mike
     
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    Someone in the Society named Stephen has narrowed the clock down to definitely 18th century and done in the Boulle style. All the inlay sockets were hand carved. That's all I know for now! Peter
     
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    Hi Peter,

    Any info from Bernd Deckert?

    BR, Oleg
     
  9. Mike306p/Ansoniaman

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    Yes I did obtain more clock stuff Don. But,I can not post just yet . More to come. Mike
     
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    #60 Mike306p/Ansoniaman, Mar 14, 2010
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    Again I will clean this unit up and post later.
     
  11. Don DeMarcus

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    Mike
    Is this the clock that you are working on?

    Did you find the case and other missing parts yet?

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  12. Mike306p/Ansoniaman

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    Well here are some more pieces to the PUZZLE. Mike

    Notice the door is a different color. I cleaned it and did not use the oil on it so you all could see the color difference . I have since covered it with the oil and will continue to improve on this . Mike
     

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  13. Don DeMarcus

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    How many tall case clocks do you have?
     
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    Nothing! I wrote twice. How are you? I am convinced the case was Louis IV from about 1750 by Boulle and the movement was a Morbier form about 1850. By the way, the clock keeps excellent time. Thanks for corresponding! Peter
     
  15. danljr_e1f471

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    Some information please!
    On the face are the words MOTTAY at the top, and below, A St Georges

    The letters and date LP 1881 are on the face surround and on the pendulum.

    Thank you.
     

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  16. Richard T.

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    I am certainly not an expert on Comtoise clocks but do know a few things.

    The name on the top part of the dial could be a person, a town or almost anything, with the second being a location. Others will probably have more on this.

    The L.P. 1881 is Leon Paget, and the 1881 is the year. The Paget family and in particular Leon produced large numbers of dial surrounds and pendulums. From June 1877 to June 1878 Leon Paget used 6,570 kilos of brass for production of clock ornaments. [Ref: Comtoise Clocks The Morbier and The Morez, by Maitzner & Moreau].

    Best,

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    How are you doing? I just found out I have Prostate Cancer - very early stage - but nothing to fool with. I'm doing the right things. I appreciate your help with my clock! Peter
    -> posts merged by system <-
    Very nice looking clock! Peter
     
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    Richard,
    Thank you so much for your information. I love knowing the history of my clocks.

    Dan
     
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    danljr,

    the top word is the seller and St Georges is a bit of a problem, there are 79 of them in France! There is even an association of st Georges. (google) There is one near me: St Georges de Didonne, but if the clock was from such a place with extra wording, it would show it. But that leaves quite a few St Georges, plain and simple!

    I must have a look at mine and see if the bras work has any signs of a maker.
     
  20. peterc6

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    I found the following link for anyone interested. I have a Louis IV Boulle 1740 or so with a Morbier replacement movement about 1850. This is a close ro my clock as I have found.

    http://www.clockguy.com/SiteRelated/SiteReferencePages/CharlesAndreBoulleHistory.html
     

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  21. antiekeradio

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    The movement you have in the boulle longcase clock is certainly not a run of the mill type of movement, as it does not seem to have the corner posts all other Morbier clocks I know do have. Also, the pinwheel escapement is quite uncommon, but less so than the missing corner posts.

    The weird thing about the combination Boulle casework - Morbier movement is that the 'class' of these things is quite different. It would be similar (in matters of style) of having a sleek Cadillac fitted with a Detroit Diesel 'pig iron' engine.

    The usual movements for boulle clocks are high-quality brass movements (larger versions of those small French drum movements)

    The usual cases for Morbier movements is a sturdy but plain wooden longcase. Not too much fancy work. The most flashy cases I ever saw with a morbier movement in it was gesso'ed and partially gilt (with gold leaf) Boulle technique is case design on a whole different level...

    Please note that all of the above does not mean I think your clock is not original. It is merely an expression of my amazement at the combination of apparently contrasting parts, especially since it seems to be completely original.


    @Laprade, you have got one very special month-going clock there. Pendulum behind the weights, sunburst top piece, quite old... educated guess 1795-1805 ? Please don't over-restore it :)
     
  22. peterc6

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    Thanks for the reply. I will not have the clock restored except to keep the movement in tip top shape. I will be delighted to find more information as to this clocks origins.

    Peter
     
  23. peterc6

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    Actually the Pendulum is in FRONT of the weights and represents Mestopholes -a Faustian hero I know. A strange character on a Louis IV case.
     
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    Hello Oleg!

    WOW! The two clocks are most similar. The dutch clock looks newer or/and in much better condition! I will pursue the Dutch dealer and see if I can find out more. If I do I'll post it.

    I am well - anticipation radiation treatments in about a month. So far the hormone treatments have had no ill effects.

    How are you?

    Thank you very much for the post. The two clocks are very similar.

    Peter
     
  26. peterc6

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    I think the entire unit must be a reproduction. It looks pretty nice though.

    Peter Cunningham
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    Hello,


    The clock's mecanism was made in the years 1970. (FHS Germany)
    The clock itself is of italian origin.

    Have a nice evening.

    Regards,

    Peter

    ----- Original Message -----
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  27. peterc6

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    v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } As suspected. I invited this fellow Peter to join us. He is a very pleasant character! P

    Hello Peter.


    My clock is a reproduction.
    I'm selling it because I want to look for an ancient one.

    I'm glad you're keeping your own.
    It's a unique piece, and very hard to find.

    Regards,

    Peter

    PS : I'm also a bit surprised to receive a reaction from the USA.
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    Thank You Peter.

    Believe me it is not for sale. I am 68 years old and my parents bought it at an Auction 19 1941 in Beverly, Massachusetts. It supposedly stood in President Taft’s summer home there in 1915. I’m not sure about that. It has been part of my life my entire life!

    The movement has just been repaired by a local clockmaker and it keeps very good time. Depending on temperature it loses about one minute per week. Not bad for something that old.

    The similar clock on your action site looks like it is new. Is it a reproduction? I got the clue from the age of the movement.

    Thanks for the information!

    Peter Cunningham
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    From: P. [mailto:peter-thijs@skynet.be]
    Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:45 PM
    To: peter
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    Hello Peter,



    If I had yours, I wouldn't sell it.

    Such antique clocks are hard to find.



    I'm a collector, but I only have two antique ones. (2nd period, around 1850)



    I've just visited an auction in Antwerp.

    There was a late 19th century boulle wall clock for sale.

    It went over 1800 Eur, auction costs not included.



    Regards,



    Peter

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    Thank You Peter

    Attached is a picture of mine. The case was made in 1740 or so and the original movement was replaced with a Morbier in 1850. Mine is definitely French.. They are very similar don’t you think?

    Thank You

    Peter

    From: P. [mailto:peter-thijs@skynet.be]
    Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:18 PM
    To: Peter Cunningham
    Subject: Re: Reactie op je Kapaza! zoekertje Rode boulle staande klok met prachtige inleg



    Hello,



    The clock's mecanism was made in the years 1970. (FHS Germany)

    The clock itself is of italian origin.



    Have a nice evening.



    Regards,



     
  28. antiekeradio

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    Sorry Peter, I have been confusing you. The last line of my message was directed towards another user (Laprade) who showed a magnificent early type month-going clock, with pendulum behind the weights and a sunburst dial top. I did it like this because I knew the system would merge those messages anyway if I would put them in 2 separate postings :rolleyes:
     
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    Nadda!
     
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    Comtoise: It's a repeater! (Comtoise: It's a repeater!)

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    Hi, all.

    I've finally got most of the clocks situated from my auction haul a week and a half ago, and am now posting a few detailed photos of the tall-case clock that several of you noticed immediately was a Comtoise. Not being familiar with Comtoise clocks other than having seen an occasional Morbier in an antique store, I didn't even realize mine was a Comtoise (or that the word meant that they come from the Comte region of France) until the posts in the other thread. Thanks! I've been reading over the separate message board thread for Comtoise clocks as well and it's very interesting.

    I didn't even realize until setting the clock up that it was a repeater! I had heard of repeaters before but can't recall ever seeing one, so it was with some surprise when my clock repeated its strike one minute after the initial hour strike! (As if the first set of CLANGS!!! on that enormous bell wasn't loud enough!):eek: LOL.

    Anyway, I had a few more questions about the clock, for those who may have the time to answer:

    1. If one looks closely at the top of the metal design around my clock's dial, it appears the metal has been cut or snipped off. It's more jagged than the other three edges of the square. Does everyone agree? My understanding of these types of clocks is that the cases were often made separately or after-the-fact (in fact, the auction house I bought it from describes the case as German even though the clock is French), and thus it's pretty apparent that this movement was not always housed in this case. Did someone cut off the top of the clock in order to get the case to accomodate it? Was this something that was typically done?

    2. Before this clock was in this case, how did it hang on the wall? I've seen pictures of a few other similar-looking clocks (with nice oval crests as a part of the decorative metal surrounding the dial :() and they appear to have two "legs" or brackets beneath the clock. Were these brackets part of the clock? Or a separate "shelf" for them to sit on? My clock doesn't seem to have any indication on the back of the metal case to show it had ever hung on a wall, unless it sat on some type of bracket-shelf.

    3. laprade, if you see this, you had mentioned in the other thread...

    ...What did you mean by "bull's eye in the door?" And how did this indicate to you that it would have a folding pendulum rod?

    4. The dial of the clock reads, "Foussard fils à Illiers." laprade mentioned the following in the other thread...

    ...so if Illiers is the location, what does the rest of the phrase mean? Is Foussard the name of the clockmaker?

    5. What approximate year/period would this clock date from?

    6. In the right-hand side of the movement, there is an odd steel & brass (?) thingie with a sharp needle sticking out of the end. It seems to be some type of counterbalance for the strike mechanism, but why is it so elaborately designed? And why the sharp needle?

    OK, I think that's about all for now.

    As always, thanks for all of your help and information! :D
    John
     

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    Re: Comtoise: It's a repeater! (Comtoise: It's a repeater!)

    Most, if not all Comtoise clocks repeat the strike a couple of minutes after the intial strike.

    The dial surround or fronton probably has been cut to fit in the case. Some are just folded back, but in this case the bell would be in the way.

    Many of these never had a case and just were hung on the wall. Some had two sharp points at the bottom rear of the backboard to make contact with the wall and keep the clock from moving from side to side. Others sat upon a bracket (See Below).

    The reference to "bulls eye" is to the small glass opening in the case at the level of the pendulum. This would allow one to see the "flash" of the pendulum as it moved back and forth. The small bob folding pendulum is more commonly seen on "crown wheel" escapement clocks. I don't remember how common they were on clocks with an anchor escapement. The movement could have had a lyre shaped pendulum if there was room in the case to accomodate it.

    More often with the anchor escapement you see the large reposse pendulum either with a case that bulges at pendulum length or without a case.

    There have been threads about dating these clocks before. From memory I would think 1870 - 1880 or so. (Others please correct this if incorrect, but I will look at the dating chart in my reference book).

    The elaborate things you mention are counter weights for the strike. I can't speculate as to the design characteristics.

    Many of these dials had various things on them from names of people to places etc..........

    Best,

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    #82 Spaceman Spiff, Aug 4, 2010
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    Re: Comtoise: It's a repeater! (Comtoise: It's a repeater!)

    (Attn Moderator: I was in a hurry--trying to beat a thunderstorm--when I made my initial post, and didn't think of whether this thread would have been better suited in the "Post Your Comtoise (Morbier/Morez) Clocks Here" thread. Feel free to move it if you deem the other thread more appropriate).

    Thanks, Richard.

    To me, the term "Bull's eye" has a connotation of being a circle. As you can see in photo #2 in my post above, the glass is not a circle but instead a long thin shape, rounded on top and curved upward on the bottom (somewhat like a "torpedo"). Would this still be called a "Bull's eye?"

    Thanks again for your comments; curious to see what others have to say.
     
  33. Richard T.

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    Re: Comtoise: It's a repeater! (Comtoise: It's a repeater!)

    Sorry, I didn't see the shape of the glass in the lower door. It is not a "bulls eye". One is shown in photo(s) that I posted.

    I would also question whether or not the folding pendulum is original to your movement since it has an anchor escapement. Normally these have a different style pendulum with the folding and or lead bob type pendulum used on crown wheel movements. You might want to read this thread: https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=62350&highlight=Dating+Comtoise+clocks

    Best,

    Richard T.
     
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    John, I've merged it into the "Post your..." thread. Very nice looking clock:thumb::thumb:
    I would agree that a "bullseye" window should be round.
     
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    #85 Spaceman Spiff, Aug 4, 2010
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    (Thanks for moving the thread, Harold).

    Thanks, Richard.
    That was a very interesting thread you referenced. :thumb:

    Sorry, but I don't know the difference (offhand) between an anchor escapement and a verge escapement. I could look it up, but I gather from your assessment that mine has an anchor escapement. So, it appears my clock has been "cobbled together" with assorted pieces, at least as far as clock / pendulum / case. I'd already figured as much that the clock & case were not original together, judging by the jaggedly-cut metal on the top of the dial surround. So, it's somewhat fitting that the pendulum appears to not be original, either.

    Nevertheless, the clock runs perfectly, and is keeping excellent time so far. I've had it running for two days and it's not even a minute off. I absolutely love how tall (and dark) the case is, and since I've never had a Comtoise clock before, I'm still quite pleased with this one. :)

    Thanks again for your help!!
    P.S. Still hoping for laprade to come along and translate the entire phrase of "Foussard fils à Illiers" for me. :D
    And would still love to know the purpose of the design that sharp needle-like thingie! (counterbalance of the strike)
     
  36. Richard T.

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    Yes, your clock has an anchor escapement. Below is a photo of a crown wheel escapement. "The crown wheel escapement has neither a very considerable motive power nor a rigid pendulum rod, nor a heavy bob. " (Thus a folding pendulum for a crown wheel, my comment).

    "The anchor escapement engages 8 1/2 teeth. It will handle a heavier pendulum of 180 to 800 grams and requires a spring suspension (vs a silk thread, my comment), hence its increasingly widespread use with the coming of the large decorative pendulums of the 19th C." REF: Comtoise Clocks, The Morbier, The Morez, Maitzner & Moreau.

    I cannot say absolutely that an anchor escapement can never have a folding pendulum but that is what I believe.

    I have also posted a picture of the tower for the silk thread suspension for a crown wheel (just for information).

    Regardless, it is a nice clock and you should enjoy it.:)

    Best,

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    Thanks, Richard!!
     
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    Foussard fils à Illiers: foussard sons at Illiers; note it doesn't say "et fils" and sons. So I assume it means "foussard's sons".

    I stand corrected about the bull's eye, now that we have a reasonable picture of the case. The pendulum should be a large affair which conforms to the shape of the glass.

    The case is a late one and the movement is from a slightly earlier time. Richard is right about the top of the brasswork being cut off. I had thought it was a genuine "square", like mine.

    The picture shown by Richard which shows a bull's eye and bob, is slightly off. The bulges on the side of the case, indicate that the bob was a bigger diameter. My french supplier lists replacements at 115 cms diam and 160 diam. I think Richard's clock originally had the larger one: usually they almost obscure the bull's eyes view. His looks to be much smaller than the eye.

    The argument about the usage of hinged rods, is a grey one, as I have seen late model cases with a bull's eye: I have two!

    The verge (crown wheel) type almost certainly did only have the folding rod called by the French: balancier (diam etc) avec tige pliante, (1.20 M) <47. 1/2 ins> (they only offer that length). The pressed brass are offered at "1 M à 1.12 M"
     

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    "The picture shown by Richard which shows a bull's eye and bob, is slightly off. The bulges on the side of the case, indicate that the bob was a bigger diameter. My french supplier lists replacements at 115 cms diam and 160 diam. I think Richard's clock originally had the larger one: usually they almost obscure the bull's eyes view. His looks to be much smaller than the eye."

    I agree with the above and was aware that the case would have had a larger pendulum. It isn't my clock so I didn't do anything about it.:)

    Best,

    Richard T.
     
  40. Spaceman Spiff

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    Thanks, laprade!!
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    The clock below is not mine (if I had a place for it I might consider buying it), it belongs to a good friend. I think it is a good example of grain/faux painting. Before a gentle cleaning you could hardly see the detail....wish I had a before picture.

    Best,

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    Wow, what a superb clock case!
     
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    I thought I would add this new find to the Morbier thread.

    It is one of only a few clocks in our home that was not made in the Black Forest.
     

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    Nice clock, thanks for sharing . I read the other thread , 9 ' tall:^ WOW.Mike
     
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    From Russia with love
     
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    Hard to say without pictures, but possibly the size of the case would be the reason it only runs 3 days. You would need about a four foot fall of the weight to run 7 days, not a very large case.
     
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    7 inches per day - it's about 18 centimeters, so for 7 days you need 49 inches - 125 cm of "free space". It's normal for these clocks. Is this Comtoise in a case or has only a wall hanger ?
     
  48. Mike306p/Ansoniaman

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    UPDATE

    I got the weights last week from my friend who finally found them on the floor of his parents 2nd garage as if you do not recall he is cleaning up their estate. He is still hoping to find the last piece of the puzzle. I think he says my hopes should be fading as he thinks it is no longer at the house. The final/missing piece, is a door/glass/frame and door knob for the clock dial. It may have been in the garage and somehow was broken. His folks could have forgotten that it belonged to their clock. They may have thought that it was an old picture frame and threw it out with the trash. :(Mike

    P.S. Here is one photo of the weights and another photo of my clock case. If you take a close look or click on the clock photo to enlarge it. You then can/may kind of imagine what the shape of my door should look like. I can provide measurements of my door if anyone should happen to have a donor door available from an old broken down and or parts case. LAPRADE, Stephen are you looking / listening to me since you are the Expert and have the access to the home of the Morbier Comptois clocks?:^
    IF someone may be willing to giveup, trade or sell me the part I need I would be grateful.:rolleyes: If not I will give it a go at having a door made. As you can tell this has been a fun but long time coming project for me. More like a CHALLENGE, get it.Thanks to all for your help/ear. Mike.
     

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    Mike, thanks for your email. Glad the clock is coming together.

    The door will be the same shape as the hood, and the glass will also be the same shape, with short shoulders, almost like a UK LC clock.

    The white painted case is almost close enough. Probably a bit too frilly on the top, but close. I have a similar case, but at the moment can't get to it to take a shot. It doesn't have the external hinges that yours has; which is a sign of quality.

    Not at all like the reproduction case shown a few posts back. I don't quite understand where the repros are getting their designs from. As yet, I haven't seen any old ones that look like that. (the french markets thread has several) They are a complete mish mash of the straight cases, like yours, and the lyre cases.

    When are going to cut a hole in the floor?
     

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    Mike, I found the pic over in your thread on cases. Also an older walnut case, once the property of Charles Maurice Talleyrand's family, and is still in situ in the château in Chalais (Charente 16)

    They both have the concealed hinges, and the short shoulders, with simple broken arch.
     

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