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I have recently acquired a 3/4 plate, model 3, Seth Thomas, 18 size, 15 jewel, Adjusted, lever set,
with micro regulator(maybe a Reed variant) circa 1888 (if someone has a more accurate year let me know).
It has a low serial number of 11,760. It's cased in its original very heavy(and thick) coin
edge Fahys Monarch No. 1 case (with a nice amount of jewelers marks on it). One of the
NAWCC Chapters that I attend regularly in Newtown, CT is about 27 miles from Thomaston,
Connecticut(The birthplace of the Seth Thomas Clock Company).

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* Seth Thomas was born in Wolcott, Connecticut in 1785, and died 1859

* At 14 he began his clockmaker apprenticeship under Daniel Tuttle.

* in 1807 he went to work for clockmaker Eli Terry

* Seth Thomas bought Eli Terry's factory (together with Silas Hoadley) in 1810

* The Seth Thomas Clock Company was organized as a corporation on May 3, 1853 in Plymouth Hollow, Connecticut (later to become Thomaston)

* Between 1884 and 1915 Seth Thomas manufactured a line of jeweled pocket watches



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Rob,

I can observe from your posts you tend to lean towards Private Labels, mostly in your area.

I think this is a great strategy to collecting and hope that most of the newer people can see the benefit of having a base or center to their collecting (obsession) so that they will have a goal or strategy to buying.

Most of the new collectors go crazy for the first year or several years with no specific goal in mind, because they are excited about watches and want to buy anything they think is a good deal and the watch is working.

Later, they want to do simple repairs, so that their deals, will run and some can do it and some can't, so the hobby begins.

I started out the same way. I bought everything I could find at first, but then realized that I didn't have enough money to collect everything, so I decided I needed to settle on what I liked the best.

Over the years I have learned that knowledge is the KEY. The only problem with that goal is that it is not easy to obtain, because it takes time and effort and you must RETAIN what you learn, not a easy task.

In summary, I would recommend to do what Rob & I are doing, buy what you have a genuine interest in and learn as much about that particular watch category or whatever is related to it, as you can, so you become a wise collector and save some $ in the process.

I have to tell you that because of the loss of interest in collectibles, as a whole, the time to buy is now.
 
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Jim says Rob likes PL watches. I also like to collect PL watches, especially those with marked dials and movements. Seth Thomas was not lacking in supplying dealers who wanted them.

I have always been fascinated with the model 2 Seth and recently picked up a nice 17 jewel for Wm. G. Earle of Philadelphia.

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Seth Thomas, 18 size, 25 jewel, Model 5; Maiden Lane; s/n 351298; from a run of 300 in 1912; A.W.C. Co "Empress"14K gold filled case, made in Canada. Usually considered Seth Thomas' top of the line 18s watch.

Double Roller, Jeweled Barrel; Two-tone damaskeened nickel movement with black filled engraving; Factory name and address in gold lettering at bottom of movement. Adjusted to Temperature, 5 positions, isochronism - Ruby jewels in gold settings, gold balance screws – Micrometric Patent regulator. Open Face; original double-sunk glass enamel 24 hour Canadian dial with Arabic numerals and marked "Seth Thomas"

Total production 25j Maiden Lane grade movements was 720 from 1904-1913.

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The model 2 is a great looking movement.


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I love Seth Thomas P/Ws I have them in all sizes.one of my favorite private label, 18s model #2, 3/4 plate says John Hermann Lake Linden Michigan on the movement. It is in a coin silver full hunter case , I believe to be original to the movement .
It is one of my first 18s that I completely cleaned & serviced myself.

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In my humble opinion Seth Thomas built some durable 7 jewel models in a wide variety of designs.

Here is a great 7 jewel model 5.

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I also like the old Eagle series watches that have the eagle engraved on the movement.

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Seth Thomas aimed to please by giving the customer a choice of eagle sizes.

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I have never seen the one with the large Eagle on the movement before , only the small Eagle
 
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I have never seen the one with the large Eagle on the movement before , only the small Eagle
I think the small eagle is the more common. I have seen several of the medium size but few of the large. I feel fortunate to have all three.

I have been told there is a medium size engraving with the pose of the small eagle. I cannot verify this as I have not seen one. If one exists I sure hope to find one.

Great model 2 PL Tim. Hope you find a regulator spring for your watch.
 
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I think the small eagle is the more common. I have seen several of the medium size but few of the large. I feel fortunate to have all three.

I have been told there is a medium size engraving with the pose of the small eagle. I cannot verify this as I have not seen one. If one exists I sure hope to find one.

Great model 2 PL Tim. Hope you find a regulator spring for your watch.
Thanks , I have had these "Regulators for months now & couldn't remember what watch I bought them for.
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Here's my 18 size Model 3 of Grade 55 lever-setter with 11 jewels in a double-hinged coin silver case:

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This Seth Thomas was produced in the late 1880s & was likely someone's daily carry. Perhaps the initials crudely scratched on the inside back cover belonged to the original owner, or perhaps not.
 

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Its "By members of Morningside Council". I haven't had any success in getting any more information on the inscription.
 

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Its "By members of Morningside Council". I haven't had any success in getting any more information on the inscription.
Maybe someone here can decipher the meaning of "Morningside Council 752 R.A."
 

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As I stated in my post #4, I do like private label watches. Here is another of my PL Seth Thomas watches.

This is a model 5, grade 281, 17 jewel.

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While doing research on the watch I was able to find a picture postcard of C. H. Gros and his business.
Some proud new owner walked down that step on to the sidewalk with this watch.

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And as of the last time I visited Cuba the building was still there and in use. Note the numeric address of the building has been changed from 8 W. Main to 13 W. Main.

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Maybe someone here can decipher the meaning of "Morningside Council 752 R.A."
There is a degree in Freemasonry called [Holy} Royal Arch. At a guess (even worse, pure unsupported speculation), this may be a reference to that.
 

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Very nice Tim

Maybe you can scan the pages and post them as one PDF


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Here's my only (so far ;)) PL Seth Thomas...a Grade 182, 18s, 17j, SN 290505... labeled as "Lake Shore" on the movement, and "Lakeshore" on the dial. As you can see, the dial has seen MUCH better days...probably will never find a suitable PL replacement.

I also have this Grade 171, 18s, 15j, SN 65,308.

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I need to try some of the dial cleaning techniques laid out in these forums to see if I can pretty that Lakeshore dial up a little...
 
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I favor model 5 Seth Thomas, especially those with grade markings and having 17j and greater. Two tones are my favorite but appreciate others with special features such as the one below.
Seth did not place a grade on this movement but was done for research purposes by John Miller according to Uberall & Singer, Dec 98 in NAWCC Bulletin p777.

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Before my post #38 (showing my C. H. Gros PL) gets buried to deep by all the great Seth Thomas watches posted here I wanted to show another PL from Cuba, N.Y.

T. F. Rude' s store (on the corner of Main and South Street) was just a half-a-block away from the Gros store.

Makes me question where a customer could get the best price on a Seth Thomas.

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Wonder if these watches have ever been this close to each other before my possession or if the owners knew each other.

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I would give those Cuba watches a double like if I could.
Very nice. They also fit into my interest in NY PL watches.



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