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  1. Tom McIntyre

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    I have seen lots of Swiss cases marked 800 for 800/1000 silver. I cannot lay my hands on one at the moment, but one of those may have also said "coin" on it. Or, perhaps that was just what the seller was saying.

    Are Swiss silver coins 80% silver?
     
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    #102 Clint Geller, Nov 12, 2018
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    Tom, I am not familiar with 19th century Swiss coinage. I'm sure this is not the most definitive source, but according to this collecting blog, all Swiss silver coins struck prior to 1968 were either 83.5% pure or 90% pure:

    Switzerland Silver Coin Melt Value Calculator | The Australian Coin Collecting Blog

    I've seen lots of cheap, crappy looking Swiss "silver" cases from the mid-1800's made for the US market though. I especially hate the ones with the silver plated dust covers. God only knows what purity the silver on the rest of the cases was.
     
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    Here's a slim 2.5 ounce Coin original sidewinder Lancaster lever set, Keystone grade, 15J,
    Warranted coin silver.

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    My favorite coin silver case. A dodecahedral (10 sided) case with a JT Ryerson KWKS movement. Weighs a ton!
    The only 10 sided case I've ever seen.

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    I finished this one recently and i just think it came out amazing. Proud and figured I'd post a few pics. Elgin grade 76 hh Taylor in an awesome fahys 4 oz coin silver case. Just got the hands in the mail today from Marty bell and they are incredible! Wow the bluing is stunning. Pictures just do not do them justice!

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    #106 Rob P., Nov 17, 2018
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    1873 BW Raymond in an unknown maker coin case. I have no idea what it weighs, but the case is a monster to carry. The 3rd image is a bit fuzzy but the diamond shaped stamp has a 3 in the center. All 3 lids have 144 stamped into them.

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    1880 Elgin 11J KWKS. It's a complete wrecker. The movement is on the bench and needs A LOT of attention. I may not be able to rehab it, someone in the past cross-threaded a wrong screw into one of the balance cock cap jewel holes and the correct screw doesn't hold now. Not sure what I'm going to do about it at this point. I could cheat and use a cotton thread in the screw hole but that's not really a repair. The movement also needs a lower EW bushing repair. With all the work required it might just end up as a parts only junker. Which is sad but likely.

    The last couple of pics show this one and the previous BWR cases side by side and on edge. The difference between the 2 cases is easily visible.


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    That case and symbol look just like my "silveride" case looks like. It's a nice nickel hunter case that holds a transitional md ogden. I read somewhere that silveride was made by max freund and co. I cannot confirm this, but your case symbols with the diamond and 3 look identical to mine . So that may be your case.maker
     
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    #109 musicguy, Nov 18, 2018
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    You are correct that is unfortunately not a coin silver case in post #107
    but a probably mostly Nickel(silverine) like silveroid, oresilver.
    I'm not sure if these type metal cases have any silver in them.
    American nickel cases started appearing in the 1880's

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    Somewhere in my hind brain I knew this. Why I posted that case in this thread is a mystery. My only excuse is that I was tired. Which is a poor excuse but the only one I have.

    Thank you Richard for the information on Max Freund & Co. I'll see what I can dig out.
     
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    #111 luvsthetick, Nov 18, 2018
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    My Chicago Watch Co. watch (this one made by Columbus) in its 3oz. Keystone coin case. Mine is serial # 209141, serial # 209145 shown in the price guide.

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    I am doing a little house cleaning and inventory and I ran across this interesting document. It is the 1882 confidential dealer price list that Waltham published that year. One of the interesting features of the list is the pricing of the various heavy cases and the notation about silver and Albata caps (cuvettes) as separately priced on the 2 1/2 oz cases. Dick Ziebell made some copies quite a few years ago.

    This was published before model years were established. The page 1 watches are the 1872 model. Page 5 & 6 are the 1877 model in keywind and hunting case stem wind. Page 6 is the 1879 model. Page 2 is the 1874 model 14 size noted as available with chronograph. Page 3 is the 1873 model. Pages 7 & 8 are devoted to cases.

    I am not certain, but I think all the prices are "Keystone" or roughly twice the dealer's price depending on his discount level. They seem a bit high for dealer prices.

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    This is a 5 ounce Keystone coin silver case with gold hinges housing an Appleton Tracy movement.

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    I removed the movement to reveal the dustproof band.

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    Nick.
     
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    Here are two of mine a Hampden 18s keywind 1879, and an Illinois 18s 11 jewel from 1888

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    I thought I'd show this one, as it's a first for me. It is a 16 size coin silver key wind case,
    housing a 1790 Dwerrihouse cylinder. Evidently it was probably cased in an original silver
    or gilt pair case, that had worn out and was then re-cased around the 1860's, by an American
    jeweler.

    Yes, English swing out movement.

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    Here is a Waltham Watch Co grade Model 1857 in an unmarked 4 ounce case, the chain is silver also and about 18 inches long.

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    i'm sorry these are not coin cases , they are Sterling
     
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    I'm unsure if collectors have seen an old, "unused" key wind case, housing it's original
    movement. My guess is, it was found in a drawer and sent for service, then sold on
    that e auction site. It is a 15J Waltham Watch Co. grade. What is odd, the case appears
    much older then the movement, but both look unused.

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    How old is the case, the movement was made in the 1870's. Somewhere I have one of these cases and will have to find it to see what is inside.
     
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    #121 Keith R..., Dec 31, 2018
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    I think the case is early 1860's Richie.

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    I found mine, it houses a 15 jewel, 1857, Waltham Watch Co grade made in 1870
     
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    Good deal, I can now calibrate that SS145 number.

    I know this one is HH and three digits, but houses an 18 size 11J PS Bartlett from 1863.

    Thanks Richiec!

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    To add a little more, it is 3 ounces and MM286
     
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    #125 Keith R..., Jan 1, 2019
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    So now we have MM286 1870 18 size model 57, 3 ounce.
    And add..............SS145 1875 18 size model 57, 3 ounce.

    Our first data base for these cases.

    If anyone has interest, I put up another watch with an Up/down indicator next door,
    in my Odd lot thread.

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    #126 musicguy, Jan 4, 2019
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    I posted this Waltham coin silver watch case in another thread originally to identify it.
    Since then Jim Haney has replaced the broken stem and case sleeve(and serviced it), and I used Dave's Watch Parts
    for the crystal. I believe Kent let me know about the S.F. Myers & Co Jobbers Catalogue.
    The Elgin H.H. Taylor movement is from 1887, the case is from the 1887 S.F. Myers catalogue courtesy of Ed Ueberall.
    I'm not sure how much it weighs but it's heavy.

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    That is a lovely piece!
    Yours is the only other one of this style I have seen.
     
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    My one and only model 83 KWKS with it's original 15J AT&Co. grade movement.
    The case is a Fortenbach export coin, which I think has a worn coat of arms on the
    back.

    I also got word from Rob Carter that my Aurora 15J KW, and latest AT&Co KW
    watches are complete and will soon ship back home.

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    Coin silver, may very favorite metal for a watch case!
    1880s keywind Illinois...
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    some cute little Swiss cylinder escapement thingy
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    my pendant set Vanguard (1900)
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    a basic 15j lump from Elgin from about 1917
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    and this... I found this clean coin case on a website (thanks Dave) what are the odds of finding a 130 year old case in good shape with your initials on the back?
    so naturally I had to find a suitable movement (a frosted Waltham 83 from about 1889)
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    Fritz, who made that case the vanguard is in:???: A.w.c.co:???:? I'm just curious I've seen a few different companies now with the "screw in" backs
     
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    Yup... A.W.C.co.

    I think the Elgin is in one as well and somewhere in the parts bin is a gold filled one. Damn nice cases I wouldn't a few more of!
     
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    Agreed, I was tempted to purchase one recently in coin, but it didn't have the stem and crown, and I just didn't have the fight in me at the time to try and get it together. Thanks! These are very nice "dustproof" cases.

    That Elgin dial is fantastic by the way
     
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    My one and only.

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    One I picked up of an online auction the other day. 5 ounce coin case, with really sharp engraving. 1885 GM Wheeler. Keeps excellent time.
    Its a pendent wind case that has had the cuvee drilled for a key wind movement. It has one set of extra screw marks, so definite re-case at some time.
    Weighs a ton!

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    And another one. This one just came back from Paul Davis, he gave it a COA and a new mainspring. Drum style case, only one I have.

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    Here's my Waltham P.S. Bartlett, Model 1883, 18S, 17j, SN 5953373. In a Fahy's coin silver case. Winds and runs great!

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    #137 Brad Maisto, Mar 22, 2019
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    I am taking this Waltham-coin silver cased watch to my local chapter meeting tomorrow. The Appleton Tracy KW movement, serial number 469,402 had a balance staff and roller jewel replaced by a now deceased watch repairer who lived on the Southside of Indianapolis. The case is marked 3* and letters “W P B” and serial number “R 9 8”. The case alone weighs 103 grams and the entire watch weighs 157 grams.
    Brad Maisto, KY Floral #44 Secretary


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    A relatively early Elgin B.W. Raymond in it's original engine turned case

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    Since this is back up at the top, Ill add one of my favorite cases. Dueber coin, anchor in shield . Gold colored hinges, nice engraving .4 oz . A little worn but a nice catch for me. Illinois model 2 with no other case screw marks.

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    If you don't want to risk embarassing yourself with your pants falling down you can always wear a small watch in your coat or vest pocket.
    These tiny watches are in Swiss cases, but the watch on the left at least has an American movement (6/0 Waltham) so maybe this counts. The other is a really cute 12-ligne Agassiz.
    I like these for the floral decoration that wraps around the edges.
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    BW Raymond #804. In a hidden key, lift out case. The case is quite worn, it rattles a bit.

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    Some? How about ALL my coin silver cases? Plus a Sterling case from Birmingham.

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    I'm bringing this thread back up because it's one of my favorites, and also.... I have a cool new case to show.

    American Waltham watch case, 6 oz coin. Just got back from fasslers where It had a bezel put on it. Shame for a series 2 to be in a keywind case, but it looks good to me, and there's no other screw marks. Opinions on the matter are certainly welcome.

    Have a good day! Let's see some more awesome cases!

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    I like this thread, too, Rick. Here's something I just got, and I thought I'd share it before I go to the poorhouse. Hampden (Springfield) 18s 15j (I think), c. 1884. I had a bit of trouble photoing the case; hope you can make it out.

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    Lee, Great case(and watch) and gold inlay on the back.

    I am going to the poor house too I just bought another coin silver case as well
    I will post it when I get it.


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    I would assume a lever set case would have seen more wear then say a pure
    key wind coin case.

    Here's a 15J Rockford model 2 open face, in 3 oz coin.



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    Most often watches without jewel settings are 11J rather than 15J but there is no law to that effect, so you could get lucky.

    I think I read that Rood was into horses so maybe it was a watch he made for one of his jockeys. :)
     
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    Yes, somebody else opined that it was 11j, but I don't have the expertise to find out. So I'm hoping I'm just lucky. Who's Rood, by the way?
     
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    Hampden made 11 and 15 jewel nickel grades with no jewel settings.

    Model 1-. Grades 30 & 40
    Model 2-. Grades 31 & 41
    Model 3-. Grades 57 & 58


    There are various descriptions from the Hampden book, and h muhr and sons ad.
    Basically the dials and regulators should be able to tell you the grade, but unfortunately ads and Hampden book descriptions differ, and I don't think Hampden applied the double sunk dials and patent regulators consistently. At least in the earlier 1880s. Can't prove this yet.


    Hampden was nice enough to mark my grade 40 with a little 15 under the serial number. I've seen this on Lafayette too. I don't think they consistently did this.

    First example of a model three in the hampden book is a grade 58. Page 22. It has a 15 stamped on the plate. If you look right under it, there's a picture of an 11j grade57, with a 15 stamped on it.
    Both have patent regulators.

    It's a Mish mosh of Hampden madness.

    Basically Lee, you won't know till you pull the dial. Signs point to grade 57, but really... Who knows. It's a nice watch regardless.


     
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