Post some of your Coin silver pocket watch cases

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  1. musicguy

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    #1 musicguy, Oct 26, 2018
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    18 size watches are large to begin with, but some 18 size cases are
    much larger and heaver than others. Having one of these in your
    pants pocket requires a good tight belt(or suspenders if you use them)
    or it will literally pull your pants down.:)
    They are really quite impressive when holding one of these in your hand.

    Here is one of mine from 1888 that has a private label Elgin grade 77(B W Raymond)
    movement inside. I just got the watch back from service from one of my watchmakers
    Merlin Meyer who just happens to have the same last name
    as the private label jeweler/watchmaker(which I thought was really cool).
    (photos are from before service, but I did leave the case tarnished)

    3 OZ. Keystone Leader Coin Case

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    I'll dig in the library for one. Wm Ellery 1864 coin case, 3 ounce.

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    Second one my Cornell with unmarked dial.

    3 ounce coin, affectionately named Lumpy.

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    Keith - since the cases are the key part of this thread can you tell us who made your cases and if there is a model, grade or style name?
    [I have a few that I will post later today]
     
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    Here's the one is carrying now . Coin silver Montreal watch case holding an 11j Hampden champion h . I love coin .Silver cases . I have a couple more will post

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    It has nice coin edging on the body my pics didn't show .

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    That next one is an 1888 bw Raymond in a fahys monarch 3 oz case hinged front and back. Plain smooth design
     
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    Here is one of those larger and heavier cases. It makes this 18 size movement look smaller. Front lid is deep enough and the hefty bezel is designed to use a raised open face crystal.
    This is a 6 oz. Fahys No. 1 case.

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    Jerry, first case marked Warranted Silver and case #162 on the 64 Ellery.
    My second case housing the Cornell, is Bay State coin 3.

    Response for Jerry, of post # 2 & 3.

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    Keystone leader coin, larger 16 size movements. Hinged bezel and back

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    the good old ball of coin silver Newport case, 3 oz. Which I feel is as big as I could go carrying in jeans lol.
    I know it's plain but I love it. And it could be used for self defence if the need arises!! Lol.

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    #12 Lee Passarella, Oct 26, 2018
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    By coincidence, musicguy, I was just testing a couple of watches in heavy coin silver cases, an 1887 B W Raymond and a c. 1884 Columbus watch. The Raymond looks a lot like yours.

    By the way, it doesn't show up well but the Columbus watch case was made by the American Watch Company (Waltham). Didn't know they made watch cases, so you learn something every day.

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    I have several coin silver cases. Most are rather plain, but here are two of interest.
    The first, on a Swiss movement, does not indicate manufacturer, but it has been suggested to me that it may be made by Fortenbach.
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    This second one, on an Elgin, is a nice Dueber coin silver case in what I believe is their "Bourbon" style.
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    Here's the front cover of that B W Raymond. That's what especially reminded me of musicguy's.

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    I'm not sure who the case maker is, but it is marked COIN 46.
    It houses a size 18, National Watch Co., Grade 62, Model 1, H. Z. Culver movement, serial number 1731.
    The movement & case weighs 4.65 ounces.

    The cuvette has a presentation inscription to:
    Geo. D. Barnard
    From His Friends
    With
    Culver Page & Hoyne
    November 22nd 1867

    This is what I have found out about the inscription:
    George D. Barnard was a very successful businessman in St. Louis, Mo., owner of Geo. D. Barnard & Co. Blank Book Makers, Lithographers, Printers & Stationers.
    From His Friends with Culver, Page & Hoyne:
    Culver, Page, Hoyne & Co. were also Lithographers, Manufacturing Stationers located at 118 & 120 Monroe St. Chicago, ILL.
    In The New York Times dated October 30, 1883 and in The American Stationer dated Nov. 1, 1883 and article is written about An Old Firm Retires (N.Y. Times). It talks about its successes and difficulties and its demise. It states, "The firm began business in 1856, and was the oldest as well as the largest in its line in the city. The original members were H. Z. Culver and D. W. Page, who bought out a stationer named Stacy. Six months afterward M. A. Hoyne was taken in, and the name was changed to Culver, Page & Hoyne."
    H.Z. Culver of Culver, Page & Hoyne was also President of American Insurance Company.

    The National Watch Co.:
    On August 27, 1864, a company was incorporated under the name of "The National Watch Company of Chicago, Illinois," with a capitol of $100,000.00. The incorporators were:
    Philo Carpenter
    Howard Z. Culver
    Benjamin W. Raymond
    Geo. M. Wheeler
    Thomas S. Dickerson
    Edward H. Williams
    W. Robbins

    I am pretty much convinced, that the Culver in this inscription, is the same Howard Z. Culver, one of the original investors & one of the first board of directors of The National Watch Co.

    Dave

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    Here is a 1885 G M Wheeler in a
    Fahys Coin 4 oz. case with Gold hinges

    I just noticed that this is an old photo of it
    in now has the correct hour hand



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    I did not want to be left out. I could not find my 6 oz case but I did get these 3 4 oz cases. Two are Dueber and one is Fahys. The Fahy's has an Albata metal cuvette and it is possible that the Duebers do also. One looks like coint and the other a bit more like the Albata but neither have a mark to give it away like the A inside the cuvette of the Fahys.
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    Ok last pictures I promise, I'm just new and excited to find people with similar interests to my own.

    The heading didn't specify 18s although the original post is about large 18s cases, let's not forget the little guys!

    Three cresent watch case co

    Left is 0s Waltham
    Middle is 6 size Elgin
    Right is oversized 6s Waltham, it's about the size of a 12. I know it's missing the crown, it's proven to be a pain to find.


    All coin silver.

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    A few of my favorites...

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    Case 1: 16-size Star Watch Case Co. sterling (I know, not coin, but close)
    Case 2: 16-size Leader coin
    Case 3: 18-size Leader coin
    Case 4: 18-size Dueber sterling
    Case 5: 18-size Champion coin
    Case 6: 18-size Leader coin
     
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    here is another fahys Coin No. 1 with a very worn (gold?) train on the back
    Not sure how heavy it is. I'm sure someone here has one that you can
    actually see the train.

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    Here is a Fahy's, Hidden Key, Lift-Out Case
    Junior Coin No. 1
    PAT. APR. 22, 1884
    "JULY 1"
    Rockford, Model 1, Movement Marked EXTRA
    Dave

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    Note for Jerry, I have the same mark "Warranted Coin Silver" case on an E Howard KWKS
    N size and the seller wrote it down as Fortenbach.

    Here's a couple of Civil War era hunter cases. Both AM Watch Co. HH221 and the other
    number also an HH and Coin (both 3 ounce cases).

    Keith R...

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    #25 luvsthetick, Oct 26, 2018
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    Here is a neat 10 size KWKS (from the rear) Elgin coin silver case that I can say with certainty was made prior to Christmas, 1876. Most of these movements were in hunter cases but this one is open faced.

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    Any case thread needs to have a box hinge case. This is a 16 size that has a grade 50 Elgin convertible movement. Unfortunately I have not been able to determine the maker of this case. It is one of my favorites.

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    I don't have any silver-cased American watches in my collection, but I have a Margot Brothers coin silver-cased Swiss keywind movement that probably was made by or for Jules Jurgensen (the back of dial is marked "JJ").

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    Nice 10 size C and thanks for jumping in Ethan. Ethan, I would agree with your assessment as I
    have a Swiss KWKS similar, at 16J in a hunter case.

    Here's one some artist had fun with, carrying an AT&Co grade 15J about 1870.
    Another 3 ounce AM Watch Co. case.

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    Here are a bunch of mine in a couple of posts

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    Here are some more

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    Last group including a real nun's watch
     
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    Mr. K..........great case.

    In post #6 I show my 6 oz. heavy weight and in this post I will show my 2 oz. light weight. It holds an Elgin convertible movement.

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    I hope you don't mind my posting a 16 size and not an 18 size...

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    Post any size you want.:)
    I just started the conversation with an 18 size.


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    C, Richie & Ben, all killer cases!

    Here's one of my few lever sets, a Rockford, (but you can still wind it with a key).

    It's a 3 ounce 18s Fahys coin case.

    Rob, great thread, thanks for hosting!

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    One of these cases needs to be displayed in this thread. Anyone who has one knows how well designed they are. Here is a 4oz. version by the Invisible Joint Case Co. I have only seen these in coin silver and do not know if any other material was ever used.

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    I show two other coin silver cases I own in this thread. (A. W. Co. cases (swing ring))

    Both are by the A. W. Co. and have a screw down crown. I show the crown in one of the pictures. In the thread you will see one case is stamped with the wrong patent date.
     
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    Here is one of my silver watches, which I have shown before - an AT&Co Grade Model 1859 in a silver AT&Co-marked hunting case, which is nothing extraordinary. The movement was finished in May, 1860, and the cuvette is engraved "John Hodges, Jr., Salem Mass." John Hodges was a young Harvard student when he purchased or otherwise received the watch. In 1861, he left his studies to join the ranks of the First Defenders - those who answered President Lincoln's initial call for 75,000 troops to defend the Union after the attack on Fort Sumter - enlisting as a private in the Salem Zouaves (a.k.a., Salem Light Infantry, a.k.a. Company J, 8th Massachusetts Infantry). Hodges rose meteorically through the ranks of the Union army, serving with the 8th, 19th, 50th and 59th MA infantries in succession, the last of which he commanded throughout the supremely bloody Overland Campaign of May-June, 1864. Lieutenant Colonel Hodges was KIA during the Battle of the Crater, part of the Siege of Petersburg, on July 30, 1864. According to a letter quoted in the Harvard Memorial Biographies by his older brother, Captain Thorndike Hodges of the 35th USCT, which he received at the time of John's death, John's watch was recovered from his pocket and was enclosed with the letter.

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    My 6oz coin case housing a 18s Waltham Bartlett. Movement serial 1,021,187 case No 1 serial 3660.
    I am partial to higher jeweled 18s but i needed a boat anchor.

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    And this Elgin Natl Watch Co. is in a Bay State Imperial 3 ounce coin-silver case (below):
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    Regarding Brad's 4 ounce case, I had been searching for a Crescent Street key wind in a
    3 ounce case and never could find one. I would imagine by 1870, movements came with the
    case. I finally came to the conclusion all of the open faces were in 4 ounce cases. Congrats on
    your finds Brad.

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    What is a coin silver case? Are they a lower grade of silver or a base metal?
     
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    It refers to the fineness of the Silver.

    Coin 90% or .900

    Sterling 92.5% or .925.

    The other metal is usually cooper and gives it a strength because Pure Silver is. 999 and is usually used in bullion bars
     
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    I once owned an Elgin Grade 62 in a very heavy coin silver D.R.B. & Co. hunter case. The watch, including movement, weighed 10.2 ounces. Perhaps that's why I gravitated to collecting ultra-thin watches.

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    Ethan, please don't fall in the KY Green River, carrying that watch in your pocket.

    Here's my one and only model 83 KWKS AT&Co grade from 1887, in a 3 ounce coin
    export case. It is in an English style case and I'm unsure of the art work on the back
    (coat of Arms perhaps at one time ). It has the rising Sun logo in a Warranted coin silver
    arch. Note also a double sunk dial. It also has what's called the "Church" regulator.

    Keith R...

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    Ethan that is seriously heavy.
    I'm going to have to weigh a few of mine to see what the total weight is
    but some of these are absolutely boat anchors!



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    #47 Lee Passarella, Nov 1, 2018
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    I forgot to post this one earlier, one of my favorites, a circa 1876 (or 1880 something, the databases aren't in agreement) Rockford with a fairly early serial number, 12085. The case is chunky in the extreme, making the watch look like the White Rabbit's in Disney's "Alice in Wonderland." Case obviously isn't original; it has holes for both winding and setting, but winding is through the arbor on the watch face. Notice the eagle logo and C.E.C. mark on the case. Can anybody identify this company?

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    Greg F. might have the long reg adjustment screw for this watch, which I would call 1876.
    Nice 15J find.

    I'll look in one of my watch drawers and see if I have an 18s Rockford dial KWKS pre1880.

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    #49 luvsthetick, Nov 1, 2018
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    I have a late serial # short cock New York private label that may have been finished by Hampden. It is in a nice 2 oz. coin silver pair case.

    Today while reading the Joseph Fahys & Co. archived thread started by Kent I realized the No1 trademark was registered in 1878 and No. 1 was put on a variety of Fahys cases. The name Junior is probably not a grade reference but rather a style reference for a 2 oz. coin silver or silverore pair case. Joseph Fahys & Co.

    Here is my 2 oz. Junior Coin Silver No. 1.

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  50. Keith R...

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    Usually I take my hints well. But C. from post #49, brings me to one of my favorite
    size case. I like them best at 2 ounces or 2.5 ounces. Here's one I grabbed from
    watchbob on the opening bid, in a 2.5 ounce coin Fahys case. The back does not
    flex and it has a good feel in hand & pocket. It was also my first nickel US Watch
    Co. Marion NJ.

    Note, I wanted this one to maintain it's original patina.

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