Poor Winterhalder!

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    #1 ClockCollector, May 13, 2017
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    Just browsing around on the web and came across this completed auction listing on you know where. I almost was sad that I missed the relatively good price until I saw that someone took the time to butcher the insides regarding the chime. I know that Winterhalder did make some movements that played with rods only, but this is nothing like that. There looks to be a Junghans chime block mounted with only 2 screws to the movement bracket on the left, and a relatively cheap looking cathedral coiled gong from an american movement with the hammers bent to strike properly. Not only was this clock's chimes butchered, but 2 other clocks that could've been repaired were separated from their chimes (unless it's just spare parts). Also, why the heck is there a gaping hole in the top! Frustrating that a quality clock had this happen to it.

    A big shame, considering that the clock case was in good condition and showed no signs of taking a fall or something that would have originally damaged the 5 coiled gong assembly. I think this one may qualify for the "hall of shame". Kudos to the seller for not trying to hide the issue.

    Here's a link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Winterhalder-And-Hofmeier-W-amp-H-Westminster-Chime-German-Bracket-Clock-/222505759779?hash=item33ce607423%3Ag%3AxYAAAOSwi7RZEjzl&nma=true&si=JPEgmtMQ5yEDb6qpujBjX24vkMs%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
     
  2. chimeclockfan

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    Take out the two mismatched gong assemblies and whip up a proper one. Gong engineering isn't rocket science. o:)
     
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    #3 timepast, May 16, 2017
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    Chimefan; Isn`t it fairly rare to find a complete 5 gong assembly on it`s own? Or are you suggesting making your own tuned 5 gong set? I would think that would be very difficult to come up with the proper musical steel or brass alloy? I guess it is rocket science to an amateur like me..
     
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    Finding spare gong assembles for these clocks is akin to finding the holy grail.
    Making a coiled gong block is not rocket science, it is clock science - the brass blocks used to hold the coils are plain brass which must be cut on a lathe. The coils are simple flat steel wire. Hour strike coil is usually a thinner round wire to give a deeper tone at sizes. There are five small blocks which hold each coil, and these are brazed into each block. These are then screwed onto a large threaded block (two screws holding one wire/block). The large block then sits on a pedestal rod which is then mounted onto the bottom of the case. I have attached drawings showing what this looks like. Drawing 1 is an assembled gong while drawing 2 shows an exploded view.

    In the meantime, this old e-book gives some useful tips regarding the construction of coiled gongs:

    How To Make Wire Coil Gongs
     
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    Hi Clockchimefan. That still sounds like abit of rocket science to me..LOL As I have no lath nor lath skills nor brazing skills.. Though this does sound like fun to experiment. To start with where does one look for ``flat steel wire`` that has musical tones or does all steel wire have a nice ring to it? Would I find this type of wire at a ``home depot`` hardware store or a specialist wire manufactuer, or :???: Thanks
     
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    Flat steel wire could probably be found at Home Depot or similar stores. Any good solid metal will have a nice ring to it as long as it's tuned well. It is a bit surprising to see how many plain metals can make a nice sound if tuned right. This is the main reason why most gongs never utilized very complex alloys: you already had good results with steel or copper based alloys.

    Interestingly, the former Charles Jacques Clock Company offered spare tuned coiled gongs in case one needed parts. This is the only reference I've seen to manufactured spare coiled gongs that were tuned. Once everyone moved onto tubular bells or gong rods, support for coils largely vanished.
     
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    Thank you Clockchimefan. I`ll check out Home Depot and experiment with makeing a gong or two.
     
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