Please show your favorite damaskeening patterns

Clint Geller

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Please show the watches you consider to have your favorite damaskeening patterns, whether they appeal through simple elegance or dazzling, eye-popping complexity. I'll have plenty to show later on, but I'd rather wait to see what others come up with first. Thanks very much for participating.
 

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I prefer chaste Geneva stripes to the florid exuberances of 19th Century U.S. watches, but their extravagance is fun. Here are a few notable examples in my collection, including a more subdued one.

Elgin Grade 155
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Elgin Grade 190
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Elgin Grade 243
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Howard Series VII

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Waltham AWCO Grade Bridge Model
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Waltham AWCO Grade Model 1872
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Waltham AWCO Grade Model 1872
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Waltham Riverside Maximus model 1888

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Here are some of my favorites.

On the simple but elegant side, here is a nickel AWCo Grade KW16:

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Here is a Howard J Size I used to own, which now belongs to a close friend:

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Here is a marked non-magnetic AWCo Grade Model 1872 I am particularly fond of:

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And an open face Model 1872 example:

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And this might be my new favorite, a private label 21 jewel Waltham, SN 3,349,025, out of the final run of AWCo Grade Model 1872's, signed "William Moir, New York," a recent acquisition. I know of only two private label AWCo Grade Model 1872 movements. This one has been shown before on another thread before I acquired it, but not to proper advantage to bring out its fabulous damaskeening.

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I used to have an Overland. :)

Nice watches (all of the above)


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Here is a 19 jewel AWCo Grade marked nonmagnetic Waltham Model 1888 with an almost satin texture to the damaskeening pattern. Apologies for my inadequate photography. The rectilinear damaskeening pattern with bunting around the edge on high grade Model 1888's is scarcer than the radial pattern with similar bunting that Ethan showed. The rectilinear pattern disappeared fairly early during AWCo Grade Model 1888 production. The radial pattern was shared by most 19 jewel AWCo Grade movements and the Riverside Maximus Grade movements, such as Ethan's great example.

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I prefer chaste Geneva stripes to the florid exuberances of 19th Century U.S. watches, but their extravagance is fun. Here are a few notable examples in my collection, including a more subdued one.

Elgin Grade 155
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Elgin Grade 190
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Elgin Grade 243
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Howard Series VII

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Waltham AWCO Grade Bridge Model
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Waltham AWCO Grade Model 1872
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Waltham AWCO Grade Model 1872
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Waltham Riverside Maximus model 1888

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Fabulous watches, Ethan. The axial damaskeening pattern on Model 1872 movement SN 3,349,065 (not sure of the last digit) reminds me of the damaskeening pattern I have seen on several double zero size AWCo Grade OM Model movements. Your watch is the only example of that interesting pattern I have ever seen in 16 Size. That final run of AWCo Grade Model 1872's seems to have included several unusual damaskeening patterns. For comparison, here is a typical OM Model example, but one with a private label dial, which unfortunately is not my watch.

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I also especially love Ethan's fishscale damaskeened Model 1899 bridge model movement.
 
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Great idea for a thread Clint, gather all the dazzling artwork in one place!

Aurora M1 G10
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Aurora M2 G66
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Columbus Time King
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Elgin M9 G270
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Hamilton 940 Extra
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Hampden M4 G104
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Illinois M5 Ben Franklin
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Rockford M7 G62
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Rockford M9 G912
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Seth Thomas M5 G182
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Seth Thomas M5 G280
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Seth Thomas M5 G282
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Seth Thomas M5 G291
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Seth Thomas M5 Maiden Lane
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Waltham 1872 AWCo
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Waltham 1883 Appleton Tracy
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Waltham 1883 G836
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Waltham 1888 AWCo
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Great idea for a thread Clint, gather all the dazzling artwork in one place!

Aurora M1 G10
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Aurora M2 G66
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Columbus Time King
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Elgin M9 G270
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Hamilton 940 Extra
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Hampden M4 G104
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Illinois M5 Ben Franklin
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Rockford M7 G62
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Rockford M9 G912
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Seth Thomas M5 G182
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Seth Thomas M5 G280
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Seth Thomas M5 G282
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Seth Thomas M5 G291
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Seth Thomas M5 Maiden Lane
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Waltham 1872 AWCo
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Waltham 1883 Appleton Tracy
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Waltham 1883 G836
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Waltham 1888 AWCo
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I love those two-tone finishes, Joe. And of course the AWCo Grade Model 72 and 88 are always joys to behold.
 
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This 12-size Waltham Riverside Maximus, from around 1897, has always been one of my favorites in my collection. The early production (as with so many models) seemed to have the best damaskeening.
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Jerry, I've never seen that pattern in the center of your watch before. It looks really unique.
 
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Here is a 19 jewel AWCo Grade marked nonmagnetic Waltham Model 1888 with an almost satin texture to the damaskeening pattern. Apologies for my inadequate photography. The rectilinear damaskeening pattern with bunting around the edge on high grade Model 1888's is scarcer than the radial pattern with similar bunting that Ethan showed. The rectilinear pattern disappeared fairly early during AWCo Grade Model 1888 production. The radial pattern was shared by most 19 jewel AWCo Grade movements and the Riverside Maximus Grade movements, such as Ethan's great example.

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I’ve always been amazed and wondered why, on various models with beautiful damaskeen patterns, Waltham would leave the winding wheel and barrel bare without any embellishments.

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Sorry all, this post for the Rockfords was intended for a different thread (on Rockford's). I guess it was way past by bedtime and completely mixed them up.
I'll leave them they look nice (actually they look great!)






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This thread is now being featured.



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I’ve always been amazed and wondered why, on various models with beautiful damaskeen patterns, Waltham would leave the winding wheel and barrel bare without any embellishments.

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Hi Richard, the winding wheels are not actually "bare," though my photography of them may be deficient. They actually have a somewhat subtle radial line pattern that looks simple, but which I understand was surprisingly difficult to execute. One can see the same radial line pattern combined with other decorative elements on the winding wheels of many later AWCo Grade Model 1872's, including some of the examples shown on this thread. However, the design aesthetic was shifting in the 1890's away from one that gloried in the intricate craft work of earlier generations towards a clean, more austere look suggesting the precision of scientific instruments. This transition was being molded by an industry from which many craft skills were rapidly disappearing, and which was touting machine-made excellence above all else. The shift you noted in winding wheel decoration was a step along this road. By the time the Model 1899 bridge models had come out the door a decade or so later, apart from one short run of 20 movements with fishscale damaskeening, this transformation in decorative styles had more or less arrived at very simple Geneva stripes.
 
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Usually my photographic skills are fairly good, but when taking
photos of some of these ultra-reflective ones, I must say I will
only post a few. I do have some of the watches already posted in this thread
but the photos above are better than mine.

A few Hamiltons

A little different than above examples, but I always liked the white gold pattern on these 900's
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And one of my favorites, that hasn't been posted yet is the 942 that I liked so
much I own two of them. I know John C. has some fantastic photos of these.

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There are so many beautiful watches in this thread, each one almost better than the next. My favorite that I have is not terribly ornate, and it is my avatar pic, but this 1883 PS Bartlett with the scallop pattern on the perimeter reminds me of a big top circus tent for some reason - which means something really exciting inside!

Love this thread, so many interesting models to oogle.

Dwayne.

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Has all the steps, different skill sets, time and effort to make these intricate decorations ever been discussed in another thread? The design, the tooling the machinist skill - all in an era when all was done manually and in the dawn of electrical power? Perhaps even more amazing than the results.
 
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Great thread!

I finally have time to post some favorites:

1. Elgin hunting case 18s, 21j, grade 274
2. Illinois hunting case 18s, 17j Bunn
3. Illinois 18s, 21j, Bunn Special, All Over Gold 7th Damaskeen Patteren
4. Illinois 18s, 21j, Bunn Special, ca 1895, non traditional movement marking - 3rd Damaskeen Pattern
5. Waltham Model 1872, AM'n grade, 16s, 16j
6. Waltham Model 1883, Crescent Street, 18s, 17j
7. Waltham Model 1892, Vanguard, 17j, Hunting Case, sn 6026588, ca 1894-95, Damaskeen Pattern Example 1
8. Waltham Model 1892, Vanguard, 17j, Open Face, sn 6027547, ca 1893-94, Damaskeen Pattern Example 2
9. Waltham Model 1892, Vanguard, 17j Hunting Case, sn 7001441, ca 1894-1900, Damaskeen Pattern Example 3
10. Seth Thomas, 18s, 25j, Maiden Lane

1 18s 274 Hunter.JPG 17j Bunn Hunter.JPG 18s 21j BS 7th Dmk Pattern.JPG DSC00217.JPG Mod 1872 Amn Grade.jpg Mod 1883 17j Crescent Street.jpg Mod 1892 17j Vanguard Hunter DMK Pattern 1.JPG Model 1892 17j Vanguard OF  DMK Pattern 2.jpg Mod 1892 17j Vanguard Hunter DMK Pattern 3.JPG 25j Maiden Lane.JPG
 

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Because this thread has been so popular, here are nine more examples of Elgin damascening from my collection.

Elgin Grade 72. I don't think the damascening on these or Grade 91 is as spectacular as the damascening on later Waltham AWCO-grade Model 1872s, but still is very nice. It is different on each of my three Elgin Grade 72s.

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Grade 91. This is the three-finger bridge stablemate of Grade 72. Because of that design difference, there isn't much surface to damascene. Again, the damascening is different on each of my three examples.

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Grades 201 and 205. These were perhaps Elgin's highest grade ladies watch, 0-size, in hunting and open-face versions. Again, the damascening on each is different.

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Frances Rubie. I am not sure that the restrained decoration on this very early top-of-the-line ladies watch is damascening -- it looks more like engraving to me -- but it may be different enough from anything else shown so far in this thread to be worth including.

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Here is a near-twin to the J-size Howard that Clint shared in post #6. Mine, however is a "horse" grade as compared to Clint's "deer" grade movement. These are the only two J-size I have seen with this finish.
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Here is an N Size hunter with a variation on the same theme. It has a signed, double sunk Moorhouse dial as well. The only one I've ever seen.

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