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[1908]

I've just bought a 1910 Hampden model 4 grade 440 pocket watch. Stunning Hampden script signature dial with an equally delightful two tone movement finish. Love the bridge layout. The movement appears to have been re-cased into a 25 year guarantee gold filled case, but the case is (I believe) period correct and suits the watch perfectly imo. I primarily usually collect Waltham's but I stumbled across this Hampden and the bug inside me kicked in. Does anyone know what the "Cashier" marking means on the inside of the case cover?

Stephen

 

[Jim Haney]

Trademark of The American Watch Case Co.of Toronto, LTD. Cashier, was the 25 Year Gold Filled Mark

 

[1908]

Trademark of The American Watch Case Co.of Toronto, LTD. Cashier, was the 25 Year Gold Filled Mark

Thanks for the information Jim.

 

[geno55]

Here is the latest 18S 14K H/C Multi very heavy and zero wear

 

[musicguy]

That's Nutz, a little too glitzy for me but does
have great workmanship!


Rob

 

[Shawn Moulder]

Here's my first watch of the new year a Waltham 6s.

 

[Greg Frauenhoff]

Hampden Studley # 107788
Model 2, 11 jewels in pairs.

Not exactly a recent addition, but recently brought back to life from the busted pile.

These are a pretty neat early Hampden grade that has a lower production, so it was a thrill to be able to get it up and running and cleaned as best I could.

Interestingly, my hollow center pinion Theo E Studley is 16,200bph and this is 18,000.
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Just a Hampden nerd piece that I had to have. Have a good day!

Rick,

A nearby neighbor:

 

[Steven Thornberry]

This is a Keystone-Howard Series 12, 17J,10-size watch, SN 18165. It is in a Fahys Monarch case rather than a Keystone case, as I might have expected. The case, FWIW, seems not to have had another occupant and seems well suited to the movement.

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The movement carries the Arrow and Circle trademark registered March 6, 1923, but, per the trademark application, apparently used since about January 1, 1911.
Trademark Watch Case & Movement Arrow & Circle by Keystone Watch Case Co Issued Mar 6, 1923 (pocketwatchdatabase.com)

There is also mention on the movement of "Pat'd 21," referring to the following patents granted to Joseph A. Freund on September 27, 1921.
Patent Watch Thin Movement by Joseph A. Freund Issued Sep 27, 1921 (pocketwatchdatabase.com)
Patent Watch Plate Mfg by Joseph A. Freund Issued Sep 27, 1921 (pocketwatchdatabase.com)

Arthur N. Borg wrote a very interesting (and intense) article on The Howard Ten Size Watch for the August 1967 Bulletin, pp. 941 - 964.

Same basic story, but different watch, SN 56897, this one in a Keystone Extra case.

 

[rschussel]

I recently purchased a 16 size Grade 104 Model 1 Standard Railroad 23 jewels open face Hampden at Jones & Horan. This is the third one I was able to add to my collection.

What most collectors fail to appreciate is that Hampdens grade 103 (free sprung) produced in 1891 (only a few exist due to the $200 price of a movement) and the Grade 104 Model 1 produced in 1896 (N=200 ) were the first 16 size 23j Railroad watches for the American market. The first Grade 104 movement was listed in ads for $70. These were high grade watches that were of high quality.

Despite the extreme scarcity of Model 1 Grade 104 (N=200) they go for significantly less than much more common high grade RR watches from other companies.. Hampdens are still the Rodney Dangerfield of pocket watches--they get NO respect.

Seven different variations (3 of which are hunters) of the grade 104 exist with a total production of about 3,600.

If someone offers you an uncased model 1 movement be careful. The movements require a slightly thicker case than most 16 size watches.

 

[Tom McIntyre]

I think that one of the readers of this forum owns a Hampden model 103 but I have not yet seen it. I have been looking for one for about 20 years now.

 

[rschussel]

I think that one of the readers of this forum owns a Hampden model 103 but I have not yet seen it. I have been looking for one for about 20 years now.

Tom
As you are probably aware three(3) grade 103 Hampdens have been reported. The last one went at auction several years ago for $5,000+.
Other than the 16 size grade 94 Hampdens 23j hunter (5 reported) there is little interest in Hampden RR even though they were innovative for their time.

 

[StanJS]

You can add your watch to the Hampden Grade 104 thread here:

Hampden Grade 104

I couldn't find one so I thought I'd start a thread to discuss the Hampden 104. There is a good thread on the 23J Special Railway here (moderator hint: add to the Past Pocket Watches Threads thread): https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=32615&highlight=hampden+104 where Tom McIntyre showed a...

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[179]

You can add your watch to the Hampden Grade 104 thread here:

Hampden Grade 104

I couldn't find one so I thought I'd start a thread to discuss the Hampden 104. There is a good thread on the 23J Special Railway here (moderator hint: add to the Past Pocket Watches Threads thread): https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=32615&highlight=hampden+104 where Tom McIntyre showed a...

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Tom, think Lancaster National,and remember , hope springs eternal.

 

[1908]

This is my most recent purchase that arrived today. It is a 1941 Waltham 1609 premier military pocket watch. I think the black dial is a nice contrast to the usual white dial. Is it me or is the finish on Military dials generally not as high as ordinary dials?

 

[musicguy]

I think the black dial is a nice contrast to the usual white dial

Nice!

Rob

 

[Clint Geller]

Here is a very recent addition to my collection, which filled a hole for me: 23 jewel 16 Size Waltham American Watch Company Grade 1899 Bridge Model, SN 12,656,056, in a Roy 14K gold hunting case. Somehow, I've actually never owned a 16 Size AWCo Grade bridge model before now, but as other holes in my Waltham collection successively have been filled in, owning a bridge model example kept rising in priority until I had to scratch the itch. I'll take better pix with a still balance when I get the watch into my hands.

 

[miguel angel cladera]

Here is a very recent addition to my collection, which filled a hole for me: 23 jewel 16 Size Waltham American Watch Company Grade 1899 Bridge Model, SN 12,656,056, in a Roy 14K gold hunting case. Somehow, I've actually never owned a 16 Size AWCo Grade bridge model before, but as other holes in my Waltham collection successively have been filled in, owning a bridge model example kept rising in priority until I had to scratch the itch. I'll take better pix with a still balance when I get the watch into my hands.

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So nice watch Clint. Congrats!!

 

[Paul Sullivan]

Model 1892 Vanguard (# 9006378), 18s. 21J, LS , made about 1899.

I came across this watch on the Bay last November and decided to put in a bid, based on the condition of the movement and dial. The movement in particular was in beautiful condition, scratch free and no screwdriver gouges. The Fahys "Montauk" 20 yr. GF, OF, SB&B case is well worn with some brassing, but still looks pretty good and it is original (or a new replacement)to the watch.
I was surprised I won the watch with my original bid. As it turned out over the days of bidding no one exceeded what I thought was a very low bid.
Then again I guess it's really about who's looking for what and when.

 

[Dr. Jon]

I have long felt that these full plate Vanguards are undervalued

 

[musicguy]

The movement in particular was in beautiful condition

That is the first thing I noticed when looking
at the photos of your movement before I read your blurb.
Very Nice, and who doesn't like an 18s Vanguard!


Rob

 

[Rodney Leon]

That is the first thing I noticed when looking
at the photos of your movement before I read your blurb.
Very Nice, and who doesn't like an 18s Vanguard!


Rob

Wish I had one.

 

[Rodney Leon]

N Size Model 1862-N
My recent purchase a E. Howard & Co, N size Series III. The estimate production listed is 1861-1871. There must be a better date than this for the serial number. 10047. It has the Reeds Patent Nov.24, 15 jewel, Also the data sheet said it is not adjusted. That can't be right can it? So from what I read on the Bulletins this is a N Size Model 1862-N movement. It is in a milled out display case that was done very well, the last picture is with the cover on. I did a clean and oil on it and it is missing the stopworks advancement lever, or paw. (Not sure of the correct name) that moves the maltise cross until it stops. So do not know if I will ever find that part but will start looking. So far it runs very well. I really like it a lot.

 

[Clint Geller]

N Size Model 1862-N
My recent purchase a E. Howard & Co, N size Series III. The estimate production listed is 1861-1871. There must be a better date than this for the serial number. 10047. It has the Reeds Patent Nov.24, 15 jewel, Also the data sheet said it is not adjusted. That can't be right can it? So from what I read on the Bulletins this is a N Size Model 1862-N movement. It is in a milled out display case that was done very well, the last picture is with the cover on. I did a clean and oil on it and it is missing the stopworks advancement lever, or paw. (Not sure of the correct name) that moves the maltise cross until it stops. So do not know if I will ever find that part but will start looking. So far it runs very well. I really like it a lot.

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Hi Rodney,

SN 10,047 falls into the serial number range covered by the missing third book of the Howard factory production records, so I'm afraid that no exact production date can be given for your movement. However, SN 8,290, the last serial number included in the second record book, was finished on November 23, 1865, and the fourth record book begins at around SN 17,111, which was finished on September 2, 1868. That represents an average production rate in the interim period of about 267 movements per month, which would put the production of movement SN 10,047 somewhere right in mid-1866. That would be my best guess.

 

[Rodney Leon]

Hi Rodney,

SN 10,047 falls into the serial number range covered by the missing third book of the Howard factory production records, so I'm afraid that no exact production date can be given for your movement. However, SN 8,290, the last serial number included in the second record book, was finished on November 23, 1865, and the fourth record book begins at around SN 17,111, which was finished on September 2, 1868. That represents an average production rate in the interim period of about 250 movements per month, which would put the production of SN 10,047 somewhere right in mid-1866. That would be my best guess.

Thanks you Clint for the information, to bad they are missing the third book. Maybe it will turn up some day. These movements were adjusted right? I saw no markings on the movement addressing that.

 

[Clint Geller]

Thanks you Clint for the information, to bad they are missing the third book. Maybe it will turn up some day. These movements were adjusted right? I saw no markings on the movement addressing that.

Hi again Rodney,

All Howard movements were adjusted to isochronism, that is, uniformity of rate over the running period. Some, but not all Howard movements in this period were adjusted to both isochronism and temperature, i.e., "Heat & Cold," as well, and a small fraction of Howard's output at this time was adjusted to isochronism, temperature, and six positions. The level of adjustment of each movement was indicated in all the record books that have survived, as the level of adjustment significantly affected movement price and inventory value. The wholesale price difference between a Model 1862N movement adjusted only to isochronism and one with otherwise identical features but adjusted to isochronism, temperature, and positions was $25, which compares to the total wholesale price of Howard's least expensive movement at the time of $58. (Note, the "least expensive" Howard Model 1862N movement was by no means inexpensive. A typical tradesman earned around $250 or $300 a year at that time.) Writing in a somewhat later period, 1885-87, Crossman stated that the sum of daily errors in all six positions had to be less than eight seconds for a fully adjusted Howard watch.

But alas, with only very rare exceptions, Howard did not begin engraving the level of adjustment on his watches until slightly after SN 10,047 came out, so we can't know for sure how highly adjusted your watch is. However, given that it has neither a Mershon's patent regulator nor its top plate train jewels in screwed down settings, the odds are high that SN 10,047 was a $58 movement adjusted only to isochronism. The earliest regular production Model 1862N movement I have seen with either a "Heat & Cold" marking or an "Adjusted" marking is SN 10,964, which was marked "Adjusted" on the dial plate, rather than the balance cock where the marking was moved very soon after. A very short run of experimental half plate movements with Breguet overcoil hairsprings at SN 3,201 were marked "Adjusted" on their dial plates as well.

 

[1908]

who doesn't like an 18s Vanguard!
Rob

I couldn't agree more. The 18s Vanguard is on my to collect Waltham list.

Stephen

 

[Simon Bissmire]

Hi.

Latest addition below. A really nice working Waltham Cronometro Victoria, SN 11257808, 16s, 15 jewels, full hunter in an 18K case. I just managed to catch the auction and initially suspected it would go for much more than the £1k to £1.5k estimate but it failed to meet reserve and was passed. I subsequently rang the auction house, offered and was accepted and it arrived today. Very pleased.

 

[1908]

Hi.

Latest addition below. A really nice working Waltham Cronometro Victoria, SN 11257808, 16s, 15 jewels, full hunter in an 18K case. I just managed to catch the auction and initially suspected it would go for much more than the £1k to £1.5k estimate but it failed to meet reserve and was passed. I subsequently rang the auction house, offered and was accepted and it arrived today. Very pleased.

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Beautiful Waltham

Stephen

 

[Allan C. Purcell]

Really nice watch this, and keeps very good time. Not much is written about this Grade 805, and I have a question.

What is the Eighteen, on the seconds dial for?

 

[musicguy]

What is the Eighteen, on the seconds dial for?

24 hour time



Rob

 

[Steven Thornberry]

24 hour time



Rob

Yeah. No place else to put it.

 

[Alan Walker]

Most recent acquisition on hand. Waiting on two Elgin Model 2 Grade 70 BW Raymonds-one is a parts movement for my one that’s in the shop and the other is a potential restoration job. Got bids out on a third one but that auction doesn’t close until tomorrow.

 

[Simon Bissmire]

Hi everyone

Latest purchases arrived today and I’m very very happy with them. First three below -

Waltham Appleton Tracy & Co, 3139389, model 1883, 18 size, 15 jewels, full hunter with a beautiful case
Waltham Riverside, 17122175, model 1908, 16 size, 19 jewels, open face
Waltham Crescent Street, 11011438, model 1892, 18 size, 21 jewels, open face

 

[Simon Bissmire]

Hi, next three

Waltham lever grade no.35, 3000323, model 1883, 18 size, 15 jewels, ruby jewels, open face Waltham coin silver case
Waltham P S Bartlett lever, model 1883, 4630223, 18 size, 15 jewels, open face, key setting
Waltham Martyn Sq, model 1877, 1078078, 18 size, 11 jewels, key setting, open face

All beautiful in my opinion.

 

[Lee Passarella]

Here's another from the Florida Regional. A lovely watch but not keeping great time right now. Columbus #202129, 18s,

15J, c. 1893.

 

[Alan Walker]

Received this one in today’s mail. 18 size, 17 jewel Hampden.

This one runs, which can’t be said of the 18 size, 15 jewel BW Raymond arriving in tomorrow’s mail. Then there’s the 18 size, 15 jewel BW Raymond that will arrive in next week’s mail, which is reportedly in very good running condition. Hopefully I will be able to pick up my 18 size, 15 jewel BW Raymond that’s at the watchmaker on Saturday. When I saw him Tuesday, he said he hoped to have it ready for pickup this weekend. Are we picking up on a theme here?

 

[Paul Sullivan]

E. Howard Keystone HC, 16s, 19j, series 5, model 1907, serial #970854 (1910)

This is only my third E. Howard Keystone, having bought a 21j, 16s series 11 in 2021 and a 12s series 7 model 1908 back in 2012.
Bought back in early Feb. It came cased as a side winder. The dial and movement are both in great condition.

The watch was re-cased at some point in the Keystone OF, SB&B "CROWN"model which is in good condition also.

 

[Jerry Treiman]

E. Howard Keystone HC, 16s, 19j, series 5, model 1907, serial #970854 (1910)

This is only my third E. Howard Keystone, having bought a 21j, 16s series 11 in 2021 and a 12s series 7 model 1908 back in 2012.
Bought back in early Feb. It came cased as a side winder. The dial and movement are both in great condition.

The watch was re-cased at some point in the Keystone OF, SB&B "CROWN"model which is in good condition also.

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I love that dial!

 

[musicguy]

E. Howard Keystone HC, 16s, 19j, series 5, model 1907, serial #970854 (1910)

This is only my third E. Howard Keystone, having bought a 21j, 16s series 11 in 2021 and a 12s series 7 model 1908 back in 2012.
Bought back in early Feb. It came cased as a side winder. The dial and movement are both in great condition.

The watch was re-cased at some point in the Keystone OF, SB&B "CROWN"model which is in good condition also.

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Nice Paul!

I also just bought one(open face) of these series 5 19j that I will also post soon.
19j is all you need


Rob

 

[Alan Walker]

I have long felt that these full plate Vanguards are undervalued

Hard to beat a Model 1892 Vanguard. Personally, I think the 1892 was one of Waltham’s best (if not the best).

 

[Clint Geller]

Hard to beat a Model 1892 Vanguard. Personally, I think the 1892 was one of Waltham’s best (if not the best).

The Model 1857 and 1892 are my favorite full plate Waltham models. Model 92's are very handsome.

 

[TaborClock]

My first 1892

 

[Paul Sullivan]

I also just bought one(open face) of these series 5 19j that I will also post soon.
19j is all you need

Thanks Rob. Can't wait to see it!

I love that dial!

Jerry,
Me too! I believe it's my only Blue numeral dial I have.

 

[Paul Sullivan]

My first 1892

Tabor,

Beautiful '92 Crescent St! The many variations in the grades make them a collection on their own.

 

[StanJS]

Below is a circa 1926 16S 23J Waltham Vanguard S/N 25340160. I tried to keep my cost below $500. I won with a bid of $451, but after packing, shipping, and sales tax (I ALWAYS forget the sales tax!) it came in at $524.22.

Once I got it, I was disappointed. I saw the wind indicator pointed due north and thought it needed tweaking. However, when I wind the watch, it doesn't move. The watch does run. The auction house didn't show a picture with the bezel off. When I took the bezel off, the dial damage was worse than expected. Oh well, just another Vanguard wind indicator watch.

 

[musicguy]

I'm sure that watch has a great history, it wasn't
put in a draw and never used. It's cool.



Rob

 

[Alan Walker]

Here’s my newest acquisition-a non functional 18 size, 15 jewel Model 2 Grade 70 BW Raymond. It will go to the watchmaker tomorrow for repairs. I also have a working model of the same watch coming next week. Hopefully my other one will be ready tomorrow.

 

[Jim Haney]

Alan,

Maybe you should reflect on your collecting goals...

The servicing of your newest watch will be more than twice what is is worth

I know it is hard not to grab up everything you see as a great deal....but education is the best way to avoid these Impulses

 

[Nigel Harrison]

Early Rockford 15R 18s Hunting

 

[geno55]

Early Rockford 15R 18s Hunting
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That is a sweet puppy