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Duck,

A great bunch of Hamilton's for sure.. The spring loaded carrying case really adds to your 4992B.

The dial on your 992B is a replacement dial from a commemorative series sold in the late 1960's with a black circle imitating the double sunk. :eek:

This collecting hobby is a learning process we all go through, so just roll with the flow and you are a smarter collector as we all learn these little subtle lessons.:)
 
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I second Robs comment! A very nice group of timekeepers indeed! I particularly like the 996 and it's damaskeen pattern.
 

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Duck,

A great bunch of Hamilton's for sure.. The spring loaded carrying case really adds to your 4992B.

The dial on your 992B is a replacement dial from a commemorative series sold in the late 1960's with a black circle imitating the double sunk. :eek:

This collecting hobby is a learning process we all go through, so just roll with the flow and you are a smarter collector as we all learn these little subtle lessons.:)
Thanks Jim!

I guess everyday you learn something new! :D I'll start the quest for the real deal! Any idea where, besides EvilBay?

Thanks in advance
 
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Yes, It it all a great learning experience.. and is what is so interesting about our Hobby.

In your case, you would start with your serial number and find out what year the watch was made.

Then you can determine if it had a Melamine dial or Enamel dial. Then several dials would have been available in Montgomery or regular, and Hamilton also advertised, The Dial of Your choice, I would assume from current stock availability.
 
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I guess everyday you learn something new! :D I'll start the quest for the real deal! Any idea where, besides EvilBay?

Thanks in advance
Very good attitude. They are not too hard to find, I just sold one a few weeks
ago. If it's melamine you are looking for, you may need to be satisfied with
one that has a few cracks(and that is OK). eBay is usually your best bet and its should be fairly
reasonably priced.


Rob
 

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This appeared in my mailbox today. I bought the dial without seeing the movement and paid $73.88 (including SH&T). I think I like that "Christmas morning" anticipation of opening the back and seeing what I bought. I always hope for at least 21J. This one turned out to be only 17J (with a 25-year case showing more brass than the Notre Dame Marching Band at halftime.) It runs with great balance wheel movement.

The Waltham serial number lookup was a little short on info. Dates? Given the serial number, I assume the watch is from the late 1890s. It is fairly uncommon with only 1120 copies made. One question; is the dial a replacement? Any other information you can provide?

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I usually hang out on the European pocket watch forum, but I do have an American pocket watch interest - I try to pick up Waltham '57s whenever I find them here in the UK. While not rare, they are unusual here compared to later models. Up until today, my oldest dated to 1867. This arrived in the post today, courtesy of a London auction house.
PS Bartlett grade, 11 jewel, s/n 23553, it has a production date of Sept/Oct 1859. The Appleton Tracy & Co dial is certainly right for that time and is flawless except for a nibble at the centre hole. I don't know if the hands are likely to be original, would appreciate any guidance on that. The movement could be brightened, but I'll probably leave it as it is.
The full hunter case is marked A.T.&Co with a s/n 12729 under the front cover. There are no other markings and I think it's silver - not sure if coin or sterling. Nice condition but a little worn (front and rear engine turning, and edge engraving are worn) although the hinges and release mechanism are perfect. I can't see any indication that the case isn't the original, but any guidance on that would also be appreciated.
I wound it about 8 hours ago and it's kept perfect time so far. The more of these 57s I find, the more I like them - the challenge now is to find an earlier one in the UK !

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I usually hang out on the European pocket watch forum, but I do have an American pocket watch interest - I try to pick up Waltham '57s whenever I find them here in the UK. While not rare, they are unusual here compared to later models. Up until today, my oldest dated to 1867. This arrived in the post today, courtesy of a London auction house.
PS Bartlett grade, 11 jewel, s/n 23553, it has a production date of Sept/Oct 1859. The Appleton Tracy & Co dial is certainly right for that time and is flawless except for a nibble at the centre hole. I don't know if the hands are likely to be original, would appreciate any guidance on that. The movement could be brightened, but I'll probably leave it as it is.
The full hunter case is marked A.T.&Co with a s/n 12729 under the front cover. There are no other markings and I think it's silver - not sure if coin or sterling. Nice condition but a little worn (front and rear engine turning, and edge engraving are worn) although the hinges and release mechanism are perfect. I can't see any indication that the case isn't the original, but any guidance on that would also be appreciated.
I wound it about 8 hours ago and it's kept perfect time so far. The more of these 57s I find, the more I like them - the challenge now is to find an earlier one in the UK !

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That's a lovely, early American piece, Andrew. The case definitely looks original, as do the hands. Most American silver cases are coin silver, though Sterling examples turn up. The movement seems in great shape too. It likely has only eleven jewels, but you would have to pull the dial off be sure it doesn't have fifteen. Congrats.
 

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That's a lovely, early American piece, Andrew. The case definitely looks original, as do the hands. Most American silver cases are coin silver, though Sterling examples turn up. The movement seems in great shape too. It likely has only eleven jewels, but you would have to pull the dial off be sure it doesn't have fifteen. Congrats.
Hi Clint, thanks for your thoughts on the hands and case originality. I had no reason to suspect they weren't, but I've little experience of these early pieces. I will pop the dial off to check for jeweling on the pillar plate, but will enjoy it for a couple of days before I do that. If it's 15 rather than 11, I'll post a picture. Just as an aside, I'm pretty sure that the visible jewels are pressed directly into the plate - faux settings I think they're called.... Andy
 
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The hand written factory ledgers say "4 holes" which means 11 jewels. This thing is not always 100% accurate, but it usually is.

I enjoyed your photos, thank you for showing it off.
Yes, I didn't think there were any P. S. Bartlett grade Model 1857's in the period when this movement was made, but I wasn't absolutely certain.
 

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Yes, I didn't think there were any P. S. Bartlett grade Model 1857's in the period when this movement was made, but I wasn't absolutely certain.
Hi Clint - just for clarification - is there a suspicion that the barrel bridge with the serial number may not belong to the P S Bartlett plate? ... Andy
 

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Hi Clint - just for clarification - is there a suspicion that the barrel bridge with the serial number may not belong to the P S Bartlett plate? ... Andy
Andy, I see no reason to suspect that the barrel bridge is a replacement, but if you are concerned about it, you could check the assembly numbers on the undersides of the other plates. They should all match the last digits of the serial number. Even if they don't - it happens - if all the assembly numbers match one another, including the one on the barrel bridge, you are still golden. The solid steel balance on your watch is also highly consistent with its serial number and grade, so everything looks legit to me.
 
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Hi Clint - just for clarification - is there a suspicion that the barrel bridge with the serial number may not belong to the P S Bartlett plate? ... Andy
It's listed as P.S. Bartlett in the hand written A.erican watch co ledger, as well. Sorry, should have included that.
 

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The nice #108 case is being made even nicer with a professional polish from my case man but I couldn't wait for it to come back before spreading my joy
 

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This one arrived today, an 18s coin silver 7 jewel Rockford from around 1881, but what grade is it, it comes up as unknown. The movement has very good condition gilting and the dial is nice
Your watch movement had a micro adjustment piece on it that I usually find on 11j movements and greater. I would want to remove the balance cock and see if its id number corresponds with the movement serial number. It seems to be a little unusual for a 7j movement to have that type of adjustment but nothing surprises me when dealing with Rockfords. The included photo shows what piece is missing.

Rockford did not place a grade number on their early movements but some collectors have made their own classification schemes. I would call it a nice 7j gilt model 1 Rockford in reasonably nice condition and with what might have been a higher end regulator micro-adjustment.
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It seems to be a little unusual for a 7j movement
I agree on the regulator even though I am not an expert on
Rockfords when I first saw it, it did look unusual on a 7j

Nice old KW Rockford



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Thanks for the information, I am wondering if there are any of these regulator parts available, is there alot of this model available for parts. I really only bid on and bought this because of the coin silver case, but I really like the watch.
 

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Thanks for the information, I am wondering if there are any of these regulator parts available, is there a lot of this model available for parts. I really only bid on and bought this because of the coin silver case, but I really like the watch.
Never say never, but.......of the numerous Rockfords in my care there are only 4 or 5 that have that micro-adjust. Rockford parts are not easy to find and sometimes it is better to search for a parts movement. Or, just leave the movement as is and appreciate what you have. Good Luck!
 
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Sorry to hear.
It's happened to every one of us.


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It's happened
No doubt!

I broke a staff recently That was not even in the watch! Restaffed a balance. Boxed everything up to take to new location. Opened the box and my staff was missing the top pivot.

That's Illinois is a beauty. I'm sure a replacement crystal won't be an issue!
 
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.and I just cracked the crystal! Drat, drat, drat and double drat! :mad:
Contact Dave's watch parts and send him the bezel and he will put a new one in.
You will have it back before you know it :) .


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Thanks Rob. I'll have to send the entire watch as the bezel is hinged and the back screws on.
 

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That's not a problem pack it very well and send it USPS Priority mail.
If you don't have the skills(or tools) do not remove the movement.




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That's the way I ship my watches. My fine motor skills are about shot so I'll send the complete watch. Dave is away for a week starting the 14th.
 
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Nothing like a nice 6s! especially a nice Maximus!

I do like this size very much.



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What DTSPatrick failed to note about his new Maximus is that it is a Model 1890 watch. Waltham only made hunter-movement model Model 1890 Maximus, and it only made 500. Hence, DTSPatrick's watch not only is beautiful, it is uncommon. These 1890 Maximus are sweet little watches. I have #7,161,115. It too has been recased in a solid gold, diamond-studded case.
 

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Waltham model 1908, grade1623, 23J, L/S, Adj. 8 pos, Vanguard. Serial number 3377761633 shows it from run 33765838 - 33780900 (15062 total) made/assembled in 1952, and factory cased in a Star W.C.Co. SB&B 10kt gold filled case.

Up until 2020 I had been looking for 18s Hamiltons, 18s Waltham model '92s, and any18s Elgin 3/4 nickel movement 17 jewels and up and made after 1892. While I still look for special finish, P/Ls, etc., I slipped back to buying 16s made by Waltham and Elgin, particularly post WWII to 1953 when the last 16s Waltham watch was assembled in June that year; of a run of 1000 model A, grade 1621, 21j movements, serial nos. 33824401 to 33825400.

I have a few 1908 model Vanguards in variations from the highly finished and damaskeened early grades to the final more austere and modern Geneva stripes that appeared on all late US pocket watches, though many late 16s Walthams and Elgins under 17j were just plain with a bit of brushing. The painted dial has some small but noticeable scratches near the second bit where the underlying metal can be seen.

I bought the watch about a week ago just to have a last run Vanguard and hope to find one of the 16s 16-A's from '53 to have one of the last U.S. made Waltham pocket watches. With only 1000 made that may take awhile.

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An Illinois, 14-size, grade 126, 21 jewel movement. Although the database claims 400 of each pendant set and lever set made, serial number observations indicate that only a single run of 50 movements was likely produced. Unfortunately, an incorrect dial (should be double-sunk). Still a beautiful watch that I am very happy to have added to my collection.

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An oldie and a goodie. Congratulations on the nice addition to your collection. :clap:
 

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Great looking watch! One of these days I want to add on to my collection mainly because the movement looks great.
 
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