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The Waltham for CP Rail is difficult to set as the lever keeps snapping back. Can't seem to get a good purchase with a caseknife.
 
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The NAWCC Waltham research utility indicates that only a single run of a hundred open face 21 jewel AWCo Grade Model 1888's was made, but I don't know whether this information is accurate
This seems to be a common theme for this model Clint. Ethan Lipsig's post in the Sunday Hunting thread bemoans the same issue:
Today's hunter is this circa 1899 Model 1888 Riverside Maximus in a 14k Hayden Wheeler hunter case. This is a fairly scarce watch, but I am completely uncertain how many were made. I've checked five sources and gotten five different answers.
  • 200 hunters & 200 OF, according to the 1980 Autry table
  • 100 hunters & 200 OF, according to the reputedly more reliable 1985 Lindberg table
  • 1551 hunters & 1551 OF, according the NAWCC serial number database
  • 642 hunters & 642 OF, according to the Pocket Watch Database
  • Around 700 total of hunters and OF according to my notes
I'd be grateful if any of you would let me know what the correct numbers were.
He and I have the same Riv Max movement only 14 S/N's apart. His is post #110 and mine is post #106. He has a superior and exquisite case compared to mine (I do love my O'Hara dial though). It would be nice to know what the actual built quantities were.
 

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Illinois #509113, grade 150, 8s

My ladies accumulation is still tragically lacking A few companies. Always searching for that perfect (for me) ladies watch from Illinois, Columbus, Aurora, Rockford, ect ect.

Well.. Nuns watches are a great thing for a guy like me. They're usually plain and silver... Right up my alley.

This has an engraving "A.M.D.G. Sister M Justina, Christmas 1886".
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A.M.D.G. stands for Ad majórem Dei glóriam, which means for the greater glory of god.

Unfortunately there are many Sisters named Mary Justina. I did find two in particular that had been school principles... But obviously no hard evidence of their watch ownership.

It's exciting to find a seemingly original 8s watch. The case is a Dueber Newport, which means that it's coin silver with a nickel cap. There is a nice ornamental edge to the center of the otherwise plain case.
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The movement is just really nice. The design of these has been something I've admired quite a bit. This one is nothing high grade or expensive. Nuns are sworn to a life of poverty. They are typically not allowed fancy things or gold.

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The dial has some hairlines and a few spots of what looks like paint. Perhaps there was a sacred/immaculate heart painted on it. If so, shame it was removed.

Nothing glamorous or rare, but it's always a pleasure to find a nice watch that looks like no one has fooled around with it. On top of that, Its the first 8s watch I have cased... Haha.
 
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This seems to be a common theme for this model Clint. Ethan Lipsig's post in the Sunday Hunting thread bemoans the same issue:


He and I have the same Riv Max movement only 14 S/N's apart. His is post #110 and mine is post #106. He has a superior and exquisite case compared to mine (I do love my O'Hara dial though). It would be nice to know what the actual built quantities were.
Yes, well, I understand that the NAWCC utility was introduced as "a work in progress" that would improve over time as users added data. Whatever its current limitations, which I hope may be transitory, I still find it a very useful tool.
 
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69 18s 2433254 A. Lincoln 21J (1912)

I got my first Illinois A. Lincoln (12s 527 19j A5P) almost ten years ago back in Sept. 2011 and have wanted to add the 18s A. Lincoln for awhile now
but most I came across were way overpriced or seemed to be in poor condition. Luckily I came across this one that's cased in one of the best conditioned Phil. SB&B Silverode I've seen and seems to run great, though I'll know better after checking timekeeping over the next few days.

Eventually I will get a 16s A. Lincoln to complete the set.

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A. Lincoln (12s 527 19j A5P)


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Hamilton 16s, OF, 974L, GT, serial no. 1590831 marked "THOR" made in 1922.

Long before I ever browsed "Bullfinch's Mythology", I read a lot about Thor back in 1962 when Marvel comics first introduced the Norse super hero. My brother and I dropped D.C. and became die hard fans of Marvel when they released the Fantastic Four in 1961 and collected them into our early teens.
A search for "Thor" in the APW forum brings up quite a few mentions of "Thor" marked 18s 927s and 16s 975s and 974s. There is also mention that some also had special damaskeen treatments. That being said mine has the same 974 pattern as any regular production model from that year.

The watch was purchased stripped down to the movement only and needed a dial, hands, and case. I'm fortunate that years ago when prices were much lower I would buy 18s and 16s Hamilton dials for spares. Trying to find hands that fit among the many spares I have was frustrating and the mismatched set shown was all I could dig up. The Keystone J. Boss 10K GF SB&B case used was a 16s spare I got awhile ago.

Cosmetically the Thor looks great but runs slow and sluggish. So it will need a C.O.A. and new MS. Still, ever since I heard of Thor I wanted to add one to the collection and was pleased to come across this one, and hope to come across an 18s Thor in the future.

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Hamilton 16s, OF, 974L, GT, serial no. 1590831 marked "THOR" made in 1922.

Long before I ever browsed "Bullfinch's Mythology", I read a lot about Thor back in 1962 when Marvel comics first introduced the Norse super hero. My brother and I dropped D.C. and became die hard fans of Marvel when they released the Fantastic Four in 1961 and collected them into our early teens.
A search for "Thor" in the APW forum brings up quite a few mentions of "Thor" marked 18s 927s and 16s 975s and 974s. There is also mention that some also had special damaskeen treatments. That being said mine has the same 974 pattern as any regular production model from that year.

The watch was purchased stripped down to the movement only and needed a dial, hands, and case. I'm fortunate that years ago when prices were much lower I would buy 18s and 16s Hamilton dials for spares. Trying to find hands that fit among the many spares I have was frustrating and the mismatched set shown was all I could dig up. The Keystone J. Boss 10K GF SB&B case used was a 16s spare I got awhile ago.

Cosmetically the Thor looks great but runs slow and sluggish. So it will need a C.O.A. and new MS. Still, ever since I heard of Thor I wanted to add one to the collection and was pleased to come across this one, and hope to come across an 18s Thor in the future.

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I'm wondering now if Thor was the only Norse God in Hamilton's product line. A Loki watch would have been cool. As a kid, my favorite comics were Spiderman and Dr. Strange.
 
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Lovely! I see very few of this model in white gold. The 14-size Colonial-A is still one of my favorite carry watches.
 
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Bought a nice 1927 material catalog from Elgin. It gives the new "x" parts numbers, which is sort of helpful. There isn't anything extraordinary contained within, but I can see how they simplified and combined grades and parts of older watches.
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This is interesting about the balance staffs. Dave Coatsworth

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Slowly putting together a pretty cool library. The digital offerings are great but actually holding the real thing is much nicer.
 

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Elgin #16453596 12s 7j grade 301 model 2 circa 1912. Gold-filled, I believe. Weighs 76.7g.

I was just given this yesterday from my father. It belonged to my grandfather on my mother's side. He died in Feb. 1996 age 91. His children found it in a junk drawer with some other trinkets after he passed and my mother acquired that stuff. She passed away in 2003. I never knew he owned a pocket watch but he did wear wristwatches back before his retirement in '68. Stuff like Timex or Bulova/Hamilton or whatever. He was raised in a farm family in rural Virginia and has told me he has only seen a car once as a kid there until age ten when he moved to the city sometime in 1914. I'm assuming his dad first owned it but they all (my grandfather and his nine sisters and brothers) grew up poor and I doubt that my great grandfather could afford to buy it new.

The watch does work and keeps good time although the run time is not very long (ten or so hours) and I'm afraid to wind it up too much since who knows how long it ran last before I got it. 20210530_145636.jpg 20210530_145830.jpg 20210530_151131.jpg 20210530_145732.jpg
 
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Great heirloom, Pmurphy

If you take a nice photo of any trademarks stamped on the inside of the case lids, we could surely tell you all about your case.

Grade 301 has 7 jewels, and is on the economical side of quality. it was a very popular grade with a bit shy of half a million produced.

The run time is low because it needs a service. Old oil, dust, and dirt create a gummy abrasive.mixture that will actually harm your watch. With a good service and new mainspring, that watch will be good to go for years to come. It's best not to run it very much before it is properly cleaned and oiled.

Thanks for showing it off!
 
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Bought a nice 1927 material catalog from Elgin. It gives the new "x" parts numbers, which is sort of helpful. There isn't anything extraordinary contained within, but I can see how they simplified and combined grades and parts of older watches.
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I agree. Elgin had the best organized parts catalogs of any watch company that I’ve seen. Any part number from any caliber is easily found with a serial number. -Cort
 

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Great heirloom, Pmurphy

If you take a nice photo of any trademarks stamped on the inside of the case lids, we could surely tell you all about your case.

Grade 301 has 7 jewels, and is on the economical side of quality. it was a very popular grade with a bit shy of half a million produced.

The run time is low because it needs a service. Old oil, dust, and dirt create a gummy abrasive.mixture that will actually harm your watch. With a good service and new mainspring, that watch will be good to go for years to come. It's best not to run it very much before it is properly cleaned and oiled.

Thanks for showing it off!
Ok I took a picture of the trademark but it is the best I can do with my crappy cell phone camera. It's hard to read but it says "Philadelphia Watch Case Co. Guaranteed Twenty Years" and the serial no. under it. I do have a Canon PowerShot digital camera but I haven't used it in years so I need to get that one going and I promise I will take better photos when I upload images! 20210530_163226 (2).jpg
 
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Ok I took a picture of the trademark but it is the best I can do with my crappy cell phone camera. It's hard to read but it says "Philadelphia Watch Case Co. Guaranteed Twenty Years" and the serial no. under it. View attachment 656717
Great!

He is an article all about Philadelphia

The guarantee of however many years denoted the quality of the case. It is gold filled, and yours is warranted to last 20 years before wearing through to the underlying brass. It's a very nice case. These guarantees range from 5-25 years to "permanent" so yours is on the better side of things.
 
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I finally get my hands on a little South Bend grade 150. Watch was dirty and not running but I cleaned it and it turned out to be in working condition. Only serious issue it has, is shattered upper balance cap jewel, cant fit anything from my stock as it has smaler diameter than any size 0 parts movements I have.

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It took a while… but I finally got a favorite watch (12s Riverside Maximus 21j HC) of mine back from service and it just happened to pick up a new pair of shoes on the way.
Wonderful! One of the best 12-size watches in one of the best cases.
 

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Got a new 706 Saturday, nothing special, I really like the look of this movement, goes with the other 706 I have.
I love the poking around for inexpensive 16s Illinois 17j and 19J 16s watches . One of my favorites is this 706 I bought
back in July 2013, in a very thick ringed 16s case with a "Missouri Pacific Line" medallion fused to the back cover. Positional errors exceeded +/- 5 sec. per day by quite a bit but averaged an overall RR time errors by placing it positions to off set errors by night.

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69 18s 2433254 A. Lincoln 21J (1912)

I got my first Illinois A. Lincoln (12s 527 19j A5P) almost ten years ago back in Sept. 2011 and have wanted to add the 18s A. Lincoln for awhile now
but most I came across were way overpriced or seemed to be in poor condition. Luckily I came across this one that's cased in one of the best conditioned Phil. SB&B Silverode I've seen and seems to run great, though I'll know better after checking timekeeping over the next few days.

Eventually I will get a 16s A. Lincoln to complete the set.

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There are two 16 size A. Lincoln models, the Model 5 (Getty) and the Model 9 (two exposed winding wheels).

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Here is my latest acquisition: American Watch Company Grade 21 jewel Model 1872 movement, SN 1,265,944, with gold dome, gold train, gold screwed down jewel settings, and Breguet hairspring, in a 3 ounce (53 DWT net 18 karat gold) engine turned AWCo hunting case. The cuvette of the likely original case bears an inscription dated January, 1884, which accords well with the production date of the movement. This movement comes out of the short, very interesting fourth run of fifty AWCo Grade Model 1872 movements. It is the last run of gold dome AWCo Grade movements to feature a Gothic movement signature, and the first such run to feature a Gothic "A. W. Co." glass enamel dial in place of the earlier three-line signature style. This fourth run of AWCo Grade Model 1872 movements is also the only run other than the first run of AWCo Grade Model 1872's to be composed nearly entirely of slow train (4.5 bps) movements. The damascening of this run, such as the rhomboid pattern on movement SN 1,265,944, has begun to show the dazzling complexity characteristic of the later runs, and the dual pattern winding wheels of this example are especially nice. This run still exemplifies the earlier nickel movement plate composition, which periodically grows a bit cloudy and requires gentle cleaning, as does this movement now. The harsh light and my cell phone camera do not do this gorgeous movement justice.

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Here is my latest. Waltham 1883 15j 18s gold flashed beauty from c1890. I've had the dial for a while and when I bought the movement it only needed a MS. I tore it all the way down and ran it through my Watch Master, oiled it up and just an hour or so got the MS in the mail. She's ticking away wonderfully now. This will go to my first born this coming Christmas who was born in 1983.

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Wow, I don't think I've seen a completely gold flashed 83 before. That's a really attractive finish!
I agree Rick. It took my breath away and I had to have it. It has an almost iridescent glow to it as the dameskeening "moves" as you rotate the movement in the light. It's stunning, really. The pics as always, don't do it justice.
 

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I like that dial - simple and clear with all 24 numerals. I wonder why they chose to have "18" in black instead of in red to match 13-24.
 
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I found this 21j 10-size Howard today in an antique store, and for a reasonable price (gold-filled case). I really like this model and could not leave it there. The bow is a replacement but a good fit and I did not realize it had been replaced until I got the watch home and compared it to catalog illustrations.
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Nice Keystone-Howard, Jerry! That's about the best matching non-original bow I could imagine. I wouldn't have caught it, or cared much, considering the fine design match. Cheers.
 

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I actually have two new additions to my collection but only one of them is true blue and new. The first one I’ve had for a while and that was a Riverside Maximus, 16S , Since I’m not a full-blown watchmaker I had to wait and find someone to repair the balance staff for me. The rest of the work I did. The second watch which is new to my collection is a Hamilton 950e I am very proud of both of them and both of them are in salesman display cases here are some photos and I think you all will agree I did very well.And boy do I love those salesman display cases……………Leo

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My latest addition, Waltham for Howard Bridge model 1903 23j 16s. After reading Jerry's extensive research into the Howard-Waltham relationship and his in depth knowledge on these watches, I just had to have one. I had been waiting for my chance and finally got one. I would certainly love to own a Premier Maximus version of this watch, but they are way out of my price range. This will have to do.

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My latest addition, Waltham for Howard Bridge model 1903 23j 16s. After reading Jerry's extensive research into the Howard-Waltham relationship and his in depth knowledge on these watches, I just had to have one. I had been waiting for my chance and finally got one. I would certainly love to own a Premier Maximus version of this watch, but they are way out of my price range. This will have to do.

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I had one once that had incorrect winding wheels.Jerry led me to someone who was able to provide ones that match yours. Congrats on a wonderful find!-Cort
 
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My latest is an Elgin 472
These Elgin R.R. cases are great and it's very nice
to see it with the 472(with marked dial) in it. Great total watch.

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Nice bunch of Hamilton's


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