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This seems to be a common theme for this model Clint. Ethan Lipsig's post in the Sunday Hunting thread bemoans the same issue:The NAWCC Waltham research utility indicates that only a single run of a hundred open face 21 jewel AWCo Grade Model 1888's was made, but I don't know whether this information is accurate
He and I have the same Riv Max movement only 14 S/N's apart. His is post #110 and mine is post #106. He has a superior and exquisite case compared to mine (I do love my O'Hara dial though). It would be nice to know what the actual built quantities were.Today's hunter is this circa 1899 Model 1888 Riverside Maximus in a 14k Hayden Wheeler hunter case. This is a fairly scarce watch, but I am completely uncertain how many were made. I've checked five sources and gotten five different answers.
I'd be grateful if any of you would let me know what the correct numbers were.
- 200 hunters & 200 OF, according to the 1980 Autry table
- 100 hunters & 200 OF, according to the reputedly more reliable 1985 Lindberg table
- 1551 hunters & 1551 OF, according the NAWCC serial number database
- 642 hunters & 642 OF, according to the Pocket Watch Database
- Around 700 total of hunters and OF according to my notes
Yes, well, I understand that the NAWCC utility was introduced as "a work in progress" that would improve over time as users added data. Whatever its current limitations, which I hope may be transitory, I still find it a very useful tool.This seems to be a common theme for this model Clint. Ethan Lipsig's post in the Sunday Hunting thread bemoans the same issue:
He and I have the same Riv Max movement only 14 S/N's apart. His is post #110 and mine is post #106. He has a superior and exquisite case compared to mine (I do love my O'Hara dial though). It would be nice to know what the actual built quantities were.
I'm wondering now if Thor was the only Norse God in Hamilton's product line. A Loki watch would have been cool. As a kid, my favorite comics were Spiderman and Dr. Strange.Hamilton 16s, OF, 974L, GT, serial no. 1590831 marked "THOR" made in 1922.
Long before I ever browsed "Bullfinch's Mythology", I read a lot about Thor back in 1962 when Marvel comics first introduced the Norse super hero. My brother and I dropped D.C. and became die hard fans of Marvel when they released the Fantastic Four in 1961 and collected them into our early teens.
A search for "Thor" in the APW forum brings up quite a few mentions of "Thor" marked 18s 927s and 16s 975s and 974s. There is also mention that some also had special damaskeen treatments. That being said mine has the same 974 pattern as any regular production model from that year.
The watch was purchased stripped down to the movement only and needed a dial, hands, and case. I'm fortunate that years ago when prices were much lower I would buy 18s and 16s Hamilton dials for spares. Trying to find hands that fit among the many spares I have was frustrating and the mismatched set shown was all I could dig up. The Keystone J. Boss 10K GF SB&B case used was a 16s spare I got awhile ago.
Cosmetically the Thor looks great but runs slow and sluggish. So it will need a C.O.A. and new MS. Still, ever since I heard of Thor I wanted to add one to the collection and was pleased to come across this one, and hope to come across an 18s Thor in the future.
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Don't think I've seen any other Hamilton Norse Gods, but Waltham did make a Model 1892 marked "Odin."I'm wondering now if Thor was the only Norse God in Hamilton's product line. A Loki watch would have been cool. As a kid, my favorite comics were Spiderman and Dr. Strange.
I agree. Elgin had the best organized parts catalogs of any watch company that I’ve seen. Any part number from any caliber is easily found with a serial number. -Cort
Ok I took a picture of the trademark but it is the best I can do with my crappy cell phone camera. It's hard to read but it says "Philadelphia Watch Case Co. Guaranteed Twenty Years" and the serial no. under it. I do have a Canon PowerShot digital camera but I haven't used it in years so I need to get that one going and I promise I will take better photos when I upload images!Great heirloom, Pmurphy
If you take a nice photo of any trademarks stamped on the inside of the case lids, we could surely tell you all about your case.
Grade 301 has 7 jewels, and is on the economical side of quality. it was a very popular grade with a bit shy of half a million produced.
The run time is low because it needs a service. Old oil, dust, and dirt create a gummy abrasive.mixture that will actually harm your watch. With a good service and new mainspring, that watch will be good to go for years to come. It's best not to run it very much before it is properly cleaned and oiled.
Thanks for showing it off!
I love the poking around for inexpensive 16s Illinois 17j and 19J 16s watches . One of my favorites is this 706 I boughtGot a new 706 Saturday, nothing special, I really like the look of this movement, goes with the other 706 I have.
There are two 16 size A. Lincoln models, the Model 5 (Getty) and the Model 9 (two exposed winding wheels).69 18s 2433254 A. Lincoln 21J (1912)
I got my first Illinois A. Lincoln (12s 527 19j A5P) almost ten years ago back in Sept. 2011 and have wanted to add the 18s A. Lincoln for awhile now
but most I came across were way overpriced or seemed to be in poor condition. Luckily I came across this one that's cased in one of the best conditioned Phil. SB&B Silverode I've seen and seems to run great, though I'll know better after checking timekeeping over the next few days.
Eventually I will get a 16s A. Lincoln to complete the set.
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A. Lincoln (12s 527 19j A5P)
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I agree Rick. It took my breath away and I had to have it. It has an almost iridescent glow to it as the dameskeening "moves" as you rotate the movement in the light. It's stunning, really. The pics as always, don't do it justice.Wow, I don't think I've seen a completely gold flashed 83 before. That's a really attractive finish!
I had one once that had incorrect winding wheels.Jerry led me to someone who was able to provide ones that match yours. Congrats on a wonderful find!-CortMy latest addition, Waltham for Howard Bridge model 1903 23j 16s. After reading Jerry's extensive research into the Howard-Waltham relationship and his in depth knowledge on these watches, I just had to have one. I had been waiting for my chance and finally got one. I would certainly love to own a Premier Maximus version of this watch, but they are way out of my price range. This will have to do.
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