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Several years ago I bought a bag (25) of 0s & 3s watches for about $25 each. I looked at them briefly and determined that the staffs were good, etc..

Looking for something to do in these exciting times, I got out that bag a few weeks ago and have revived 23 of them. The cases are exceptionally nice and cleaned up they are great little watches.

You may see some of them on the Bay down the road .

This was an oddity that I had never seen before. New England Watch Co. "Queen Mab" a 0s 4 Jewel little wonder, typical cheap duplex escapement with a Very Nice Factory case.

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This was an oddity that I had never seen before. New England Watch Co. "Queen Mab" a 0s 4 Jewel little wonder, typical cheap duplex escapement with a Very Nice Factory case.
What a nifty little watch. How often does one see a micrometric regulator on a) a small ladies watch or b) a low-jeweled watch or c) on a mass-produced duplex?
 
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Picked these 3 up this past week, the Waltham 1883 with Paragon on the barrel bridge is courtesy of Fred Hansen, no serial number on the underside of the nickel barrel bridge, 15 jewels, keeps good time, the other two, a 16 and 6 size Waltham I got just for the photos on the dials. The 6 size has nice filigreed gilt hands and runs well, the 16 size 1888 needs some work, does run sluggishly. I put two of the movements in cases I had lying around, no cover on the 6 size, just for protection.

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This was an oddity that I had never seen before. New England Watch Co. "Queen Mab" a 0s 4 Jewel little wonder, typical cheap duplex escapement with a Very Nice Factory case.

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The Queen Mab is a nice little watch, Jim. I have one that I wear on a chain/brooch occasionally. Glad you were able to bring this one back to life.

As a side note, I've tried to figured out why they decided on Queen Mab. The closest I can get is that they were using a fairy/elf theme with Elfin watches, and took it one further with Queen Mab who was Shakepeare's Fairy Queen. Would love to hear if anyone else has additional insight on the naming.
 

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I'm afraid I see one big problem with your watch, Joe: It isn't mine. :)

Congratulations. It's gorgeous! What are the markings on that terrific case? Is it 18K or 14K? Altogether a stunning watch.
 
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Thanks Clint, Kenny, and all the 'likes'
While the case is a proper M72 case, it is GF and is not the original. However it is in very good condition; front and back designs (below) are identical.
I will add a M72 case in 14 - 18K to my 'needle in a haystack' list of probable unicorn pieces. Gives me a reason to keep looking ;)
Honestly I never thought I would own one of these and was picking up M88's instead. I am very happy to have this one, albeit not 100% original combination.
Clint, I took a closer photo of the dial you commented on.
Cheers, Joe
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Thanks Clint, Kenny, and all the 'likes'
While the case is a proper M72 case, it is GF and is not the original. However it is in very good condition; front and back designs (below) are identical.
I will add a M72 case in 14 - 18K to my 'needle in a haystack' list of probable unicorn pieces. Gives me a reason to keep looking ;)
Honestly I never thought I would own one of these and was picking up M88's instead. I am very happy to have this one, albeit not 100% original combination.
Clint, I took a closer photo of the dial you commented on.
Cheers, Joe
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GF or solid gold, it's a gorgeous case, Joe.
 

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Hello All,

Recently I visited my local watch repairman to pick up some pocket watches that he had serviced for me. While there, he brought out three watches from his own collection that he was willing to part with. I bought the one pictured, a Waltham Wm. Ellery, SN 127221 circa 1864. It is housed in a 4 oz coin silver hunter case. The movement dustcover is inscribed "Presented to N.E. Libby by employees of A & G.W. Ry Galion Shop". The locomotive photo is an engine delivered to the A & GW RR in 1865, circa about when this watch was made.

The Atlantic & Great Western Railway was in existence under that name a relatively short time, from August 19, 1865 to October 3, 1871. Galion Shop referred to what I assume were railroad maintenance facilities at Galion Ohio, along the A & GW RR route.

Any railroad buffs out there have information about who N.E. Libby was? Also, the case manufacturer mark of FM - is that company known? A couple of other watches of that vintage have cases by them as well.

The watch itself works well, I wore it all day yesterday and it kept great time.

Happy Sunday - J.

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18s Elgin 21j 389 adj 5p and marked "Father Time" SN 16267367 with metal dial. Case is a plain B&B "Royal" SB&B GF 20yr. #6196984. Original.
This particular 389 FT is also has gold lettering and trim (on bal. bridge). Elgin made about 4000 389s.

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Runs very sluggish, but a good cleaning/service and a new MS will set it right.
 

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I just bought this one locally today.
I will second Rob's praise. I also like the private-label dial. I have seen quite a few high-grade Walthams with Stowell dials. I wonder when the watch made the trip from Boston to Texas?

I just took a look at my notes and was surprised to see that this movement (if I read the serial number right) is listed as a "Royal" grade, but my own notes record at least three other Riverside Maximus in the run. Most surprising, though, is that the others noted have a recessed-hub escape wheel -- a top-grade feature usually reserved for the bridge model. Look closely at your escape wheel and see if the tips of the teeth are raised and polished!
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Thanks for the good info, Jerry! I will check the escape wheel as soon as it winds down.

I actually found this one in Germany. I‘ve been stuck here all year, longest I’ve ever been away from home.
I usually travel back and forth frequently. I must say I have managed to pick up a few nice watches in Germany over the years.
 
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Most surprising, though, is that the others noted have a recessed-hub escape wheel -- a top-grade feature usually reserved for the bridge model. Look closely at your escape wheel and see if the tips of the teeth are raised and polished!
Jerry, do you only see this in the 1899 model Riv Max? I would assume so since they were made in the same time period as the Bridge model right? I checked my 1894 12s Riv Max and nada.
 

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I will second Rob's praise. I also like the private-label dial. I have seen quite a few high-grade Walthams with Stowell dials. I wonder when the watch made the trip from Boston to Texas?

I just took a look at my notes and was surprised to see that this movement (if I read the serial number right) is listed as a "Royal" grade, but my own notes record at least three other Riverside Maximus in the run. Most surprising, though, is that the others noted have a recessed-hub escape wheel -- a top-grade feature usually reserved for the bridge model. Look closely at your escape wheel and see if the tips of the teeth are raised and polished!
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Jerry, it appears that it does. I hope you can see it.

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It is a little hard to see clearly, but I think I can see it. If indeed you do have an example with the recessed hub escape wheel (RHEW) congratulations on having found a rather uncommon variant of this model.
I found another photo I had showing, perhaps more clearly, the differences between the RHEW on the left and a standard escape wheel on the right (both examples from 12-size bridge models).
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It is a little hard to see clearly, but I think I can see it. If indeed you do have an example with the recessed hub escape wheel (RHEW) congratulations on having found a rather uncommon variant of this model.
I found another photo I had showing, perhaps more clearly, the differences between the RHEW on the left and a standard escape wheel on the right (both examples from 12-size bridge models).
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Jerry,
After comparing, I’m sure that it does have the RHEW. Here’s a better pic, although still taken with a phone

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My unexpected new addition. My father recently passed and in the act of moving my mother I learned of the existence of my great-grandfathers pocket watch (HOW ami just hearing about this watch NOW — geez!).
It’s an Illinois private label Washington Watch Co — 6s, 19j watch. 25y GF case and old chain. The database states they made approx 700 of these watches.
Obviously, not selling this watch. It runs after being stored away for who knows how long but I’ll get it serviced.
Any information about this model? Is it rare/scarce/desirable? I don’t know much about this label or series.

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Washington Watch Co was a Private Label produced for Montgomery Ward's Retail & catalog

I believe the total production was about 300 according to Russ Snyder's Data Base.

This is a small 6 size and was considered a women watch, so it most likely your Grandmothers watch.

Great to have a pieces of history from your family, Enjoy
 
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My unexpected new addition. My father recently passed and in the act of moving my mother I learned of the existence of my great-grandfathers pocket watch (HOW ami just hearing about this watch NOW — geez!).
It’s an Illinois private label Washington Watch Co — 6s, 19j watch. 25y GF case and old chain. The database states they made approx 700 of these watches.
Obviously, not selling this watch. It runs after being stored away for who knows how long but I’ll get it serviced.
Any information about this model? Is it rare/scarce/desirable? I don’t know much about this label or series.

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Very cool!

The Washington Marquise is quite rare, I think it’s likely that the production run of 100 watches your example is from is the only run with this private label, and that the other 200 Grade 165 19 jewel produced are marked differently. Years ago a friend of mine wanted a Marquise for his Washington collection and it took about a decade of searching far and wide for me to find him one.

That said, it’s a ladies’ size watch so the collector interest is much sparser than for the mens’ sizes.

You mention this one as your great-grandfather’s watch, but might it be one he gave to your great-grandmother instead?
 

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After that Waltham Maximus and other great watches it's hard to follow up with this 0s 16j Lady Waltham
but I liked it and the price was so low I couldn't pass it up. And yes it needs a good cleaning.

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Very cool!

You mention this one as your great-grandfather’s watch, but might it be one he gave to your great-grandmother instead?
I agree. After reading posts and asking my mother she said it “could” be her grandmother’s watch. Mom has a little dementia — so I take all info with a grain of salt.

So, great-grandmother’s watch it is. Thanks.
 
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So, great-grandmother’s watch it is. Thanks.
My brother in law showed me a watch that he inherited from his Grandfather
and like yours it was also a ladies watch. When I told him this information he didn't say anything right away
but in a different conversation he kind of implied that I made a slight
against his grandfathers watch(why would his grandfather wear a ladies watch).
It's not that anyone in the family knows the history of the watch other than when the
grand parents died it was passed down to the family. In your case I'm glad you are cool with it.
I collect these "smaller" watches and they are a great part of any collection!

Edit the last three watches I bought are 2 16j 0s and one 6s .........and a skylight(or two)


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Here is a very recent acquisition: American Watch Company grade 16 Size Keywind, SN 125,412, with Stratton's patent barrel, Fogg's patent vibrating hairspring stud and 20 jewels. I bought the movement as an uncased movement and I found this 18K gold KW16 case for it. The case carries a retailer's mark, "Robbins, Clark, and Biddle, Philada," which dates it to 1870 or shortly thereafter. (This would be Jeremiah Robbins, no known relation to Royal Robbins.) There was one run of a hundred 20 jewel AWCo grade 16 Size movements at 125,401 that includes movements with Fogg's stud, but not all one hundred of them have Fogg's stud. The Waltham factory production ledgers suggest that SN 125,412 was finished between August,1864 and July, 1866, but those dates are often unreliable, especially with flagship quality movements like this one, and these movements also often sat around a long time after finishing before finding a case. All in all, I am very happy with the combination. Based on the way the gold purity is marked, I surmise that the case probably was made in the AWCo's own case department, though it bears a retailer's name.

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You may want to skip down to the watch...

This all started with my decision to "buy the dial" on a Hampden watch in an online auction. Since the seller couldn't get it open, I figured I could get it cheap and then have a nice surprise when I opened it.

I put in a bid of $51 that I thought would be enough to win. I was the high bidder for 3 days as other bidders crept up to my bid. Then someone bid $1 higher. I waited until the last day and bid higher. Later that day, he outbid me. This was getting to be a test of wills. I waited until the last minute and upped my bid $10. It wasn't enough. My testosterone kicked in! I upped my bid $10 more and won it for $68.77 in the last few seconds.

When I saw the bill, with S&H and tax it came to $83.08. I now had serious buyer's remorse. I never should have let my emotions come into play like that.

I got the watch last week. Not only couldn't the buyer get it open, neither could I! All the usual tricks with rubber jar openers or anything worked. I read in this forum that using a hot glue gun and gluing a block of wood to the back cover would work. I purchased a glue gun ($8.99) and glue sticks ($6.99). I was now into this project for a little over $100. About twice what I wanted to spend to see the movement. I was determined now!

Having never tried the glue gun technique before, I had no idea how much glue to apply or anything. I decided that a good-sized glob was needed to attach the block to make sure it held. I let it cool. It worked great! The back came right off the watch!

I now had a watch back firmly attached to a block of wood. I couldn't remember if there was any procedure in this forum describing how to remove the block from the back cover. I sat and thought about it and came up with a reasonable procedure (I thought). I went to the kitchen and got one of those plastic (and disposable) Chinese food containers, filled it half full of water, dropped the watch cover in, put it in the microwave, and hit REHEAT. The woodblock floated to the top and the watch cover dropped to the bottom. I then noted that the block and cover were covered with gooey hot glue. I tried wiping the goo off with a paper towel, which attached bits of paper towel to the watch back as it cooled. A couple more cycles of hot water and paper towel wiping yielded the same result.

I then decided that what I needed was a solvent. The handiest solvent was gasoline for the lawnmower in the garage. I tried dampening a paper towel with gas, but was clumsy and slopped it on the garage floor and completely soaked the paper towel to dripping wet. The garage and I now stunk of gasoline. The good news was that gas is an excellent solvent for hot glue. I wiped the glue off the watch back and returned to the kitchen to clean up. When washing up, I noticed that I didn't get all the glue off the watch back. A couple more cycles to the garage and back finally eliminated all the glue from the watch back.

Now, the garage, the kitchen, and I stunk of gasoline. My wife hates when the house reeks of gasoline. She was upstairs. So, I opened the front door and the slider in the kitchen trying to get a cross breeze to air out the kitchen. It worked! As I write this, my wife still doesn't know that I bought another watch!

I'll let you be the judge of whether it was worth it. Below is my new watch.

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I'll let you be the judge of whether it was worth it. Below is my new watch.
I think it's great! Definitely worth what you have into it.

I have one other golden gate special in the observation list, it's about 60 sns from yours and had the same dial and markings.
Edit: looks like you found a whole thread full of them!

Nice outcome from buying the dial! Congrats.

Wonder who ordered these? They're nice looking
 
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I'll let you be the judge
Im glad you pulled the trigger. The story alone is worth that… The “buy the dial”, the testosterone, the glue and wood, the microwave, and the always present hiding purchases from the wife is a priceless combo. 100 bucks is a bargain for the story alone — and you got a great watch out of it too.
 
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Hello All,

Recently I visited my local watch repairman to pick up some pocket watches that he had serviced for me. While there, he brought out three watches from his own collection that he was willing to part with. I bought the one pictured, a Waltham Wm. Ellery, SN 127221 circa 1864. It is housed in a 4 oz coin silver hunter case. The movement dustcover is inscribed "Presented to N.E. Libby by employees of A & G.W. Ry Galion Shop". The locomotive photo is an engine delivered to the A & GW RR in 1865, circa about when this watch was made.

The Atlantic & Great Western Railway was in existence under that name a relatively short time, from August 19, 1865 to October 3, 1871. Galion Shop referred to what I assume were railroad maintenance facilities at Galion Ohio, along the A & GW RR route.

Any railroad buffs out there have information about who N.E. Libby was? Also, the case manufacturer mark of FM - is that company known? A couple of other watches of that vintage have cases by them as well.

The watch itself works well, I wore it all day yesterday and it kept great time.

Happy Sunday - J.

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I must have seen scores or more of American keywind cases, in both silver and gold, marked "F.M." over the years, and it bugs me that no one can seem to figure out whose mark that was.
 

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The case carries a retailer's mark, "Robbins, Clark, and Biddle, Philada,"
Clint, I have an strong affinity for the renown jeweler Bailey, Banks & Biddle (BB&B), not only from living near Philadelphia but from some meaningful personal purchases as a young man. It is sad that a company on the level of Tiffany's from 1832 has ceased to exist, similar to what seems to be the fate of Jeweler's Row in Philadelphia, the country's oldest diamond district - but that is another story. Collecting BB&B pocket watches is one of my sub-collections. Here is a link to the archives Hagley Museum in Delaware that gives a full history of the company, the one that your case came from. Hagley Museum and Library: Bailey, Banks & Biddle records (2453) -- Hagley Museum and Library: Manuscripts and Archives Department Department
Love the watch and case, congrats! Joe
 

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Clint, I have an strong affinity for the renown jeweler Bailey, Banks & Biddle (BB&B), not only from living near Philadelphia but from some meaningful personal purchases as a young man. It is sad that a company on the level of Tiffany's from 1832 has ceased to exist, similar to what seems to be the fate of Jeweler's Row in Philadelphia, the country's oldest diamond district - but that is another story. Collecting BB&B pocket watches is one of my sub-collections. Here is a link to the archives Hagley Museum in Delaware that gives a full history of the company, the one that your case came from. Hagley Museum and Library: Bailey, Banks & Biddle records (2453) -- Hagley Museum and Library: Manuscripts and Archives Department Department
Love the watch and case, congrats! Joe
Thanks for this link, Joe. As a former Philadelphian, I'm a BB&B fan as well, though my collection is extremely modest so far (2 watches, 1 clock).

Got my wife's wedding ring on Jeweler's Row, by the way. Sorry to hear it's in decline.
 

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I don't know if this is it Clint, but it looks pretty close and they did make watch cases...Birmingham Makers Marks - FM-FZ
Thanks for this, Kenny, but the only listing there in the right time period is Frederick Marson of Birmingham, England, and I just can't believe that all the "F.M." cases I have seen are English. In fact, I never even recall seeing that marking on a case for an English movement. I think our only hope of nailing this down is if the marking belongs to a retailer, and we eventually come up with a period advertisement for them that mentions watches.
 
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Waltham M1908 Gr Vanguard Winding Indicator SN 26964812

A recent acquisition, returned from servicing a couple of weeks ago.

The movement was manufactured in 1929, just in time to bear witness to the Great Depression & the ensuing Dirty Thirties.

I'll be wearing this timepiece over Canadian Thanksgiving dinner later today.

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