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Thanks, Steven. Posts 1-3 look good. Maybe Tom can fix post #4.
I think I was able to fix Post # 4, even though my current skills in black magic are weak. Please take a look at it.

BTW, there seemed to be an extra picture, a comparison of a 10-ligne bracelet Riverside with an 18s Riverside.
 

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Here is another thread where almost every image is gone, and there are not even any dead links to follow.
Recoil Clicks
Are they somehow recoverable or do you need me to fish the images out of my own archives?
 

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Here is another thread where almost every image is gone, and there are not even any dead links to follow.
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Are they somehow recoverable or do you need me to fish the images out of my own archives?
I think all the missing attachments are back. Please double check.
 

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Most of my images seem to be missing from this thread -
An Unusual Waltham Dress Watch

Some images are also missing from the first post in this thread -
Two "Patrician" watches

Let me know if you need help identifying any of the missing images.
I have restored the images, Jerry. There were also a couple missing from Post 3 of the Patrician thread, which I also restored. Please double check to be sure all are correct.
 

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Thank you Steven. You and the other moderators and administrators are doing a great job attending to these little clean-up tasks for us.
 

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Thanks for calling that to our attention. They have been repaired. Almost all of those problems can be corrected. The difficulty is finding them in a 9 year old thread.
 

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1847 fusee exported to United States

This thread seems to have lost any of the pictures I posted (posts #1 & #8). I am not sure if others are also missing.
(This seems to happen to me a lot. Am I doing something wrong?)
 

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1847 fusee exported to United States

This thread seems to have lost any of the pictures I posted (posts #1 & #8). I am not sure if others are also missing.
(This seems to happen to me a lot. Am I doing something wrong?)
I've restored your images as well as a couple by Keith R... . Please double check to ensure all is correct.

I can't say what you were doing "wrong." More likely something you were doing right. I've had the same issue, and every now and then I restore some of mine. But it becomes disheartening, annoying, and a royal PITA to have to do.
 

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Are these images that were posted recently?

There have not been any recent changes that I know of that would cause the behavior.

We did do an upgrade to the Encyclopedia area, but not to the forum area of the Message Board.
 

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Are these images that were posted recently?
The thread I fixed was from early 2017, pre-Xenforo. My own images - those I come across - are also pre-Xenforo. The best I can figure is that it has something to do with the method used to add the images in-line on vBulletin.
 

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Those images were posted when we were using UBB software under a different administration. The switch was unfortunately not very smooth.

I am afraid the story will need to be told again on that one.
 

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I am guessing (hoping) that the media and albums are still being imported. My media and albums just seem to have placeholders (and incorrect thumbnails) with no access to see the images.

Also, are the media supposed to be in chronological order? If so, none of my images (placeholders) since July 2017 are there. Likewise for my albums, although the albums seem to be dated February 6, 2106 ??!! I know we wanted 2020 to be over, but this is ridiculous.
 

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Hopefully the attached images in the Encyclopedia articles are among the "features ... still being turned." and will become available shortly.

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Unfortunately we are short handed for a lot of this work and image handling has been changing.

All of the images have a unique fingerprint code associated with them and I believe we will be able to replace all the images that have wandered off course.

Where we may not be able to figure out where they belong, I will try to create a new tool that will show all the images associated with a user account. I tried to do that before by creating albums for users, but that process was not as flexible as it needed to be.

I will write up the recovery propsal once we get the new site running smoothly.
 

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Good ole computer programming and the promises by software providers of seamless transitions, has never happened and will not in the future, just to many variables, but thank you to all for your time and efforts towards the revamp:)
 

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Well, its been nearly two months and the links in the Encyclopedia articles still haven't been restored. Apparently the images were posted in the comments sections of the Encyclopedia articles. When the comments were lost, so were images.

Is anything being done to restore them?
 

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Can you give me a specific reference with a link?
You can start with the beginning of the list of rules - "AT&SF 1887 Watches must hold rate +/- 30 seconds/week" in the Railroad Time Service Watch Rules Encyclopedia article and work you way down the list. The links are embedded.

Or, the links are embedded in the table's page numbers of the Richards & Rutishauser catalog.

Hopefully you'll have some way of doing this globally instead of doing each individual link.
 

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The rule image is viewable by me.
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Page 10 of Richards & Rutishauser. All of the rest are working for me also.
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Clearly we have a problem if you cannot see them, but it should not require anything herculean.

Pegasus tells me it is because they use the vBulletin image format and I found an updated addon that supports that legacy code, but I have not yet convinced my self that I can safely install it.

Our experience also indicates that it may be a permissions problem with other than an admin being able to invoke that particular routine.

I hope we can have a little more patience while this is worked out. I am up over 50 hours a week learning new software to complete our Single Sign On project and finish the effective merge of all the NAWCC sites under a single login umbrella.
 
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Kent, I think I have figured out this problem (which is not the whole attachment problem). When we moved to this version, the comments on your articles were not useful for the purpose of talking about the article because they were full of your attached images. I thought it would be better to hide the comments to make the articles easier to read.

However, hiding the comments also hid the attachments that were in them from everyone except admins and maybe moderators. I have restored them to view and the attachments should be working now.

With the next upgrade I would like to move all of those attachments into your attachment gallery where they would be more generally useful.

Please check to see that the change has worked. Jane, who could not see them before can see them now.
 

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. I have restored them to view and the attachments should be working now.
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Please check to see that the change has worked. Jane, who could not see them before can see them now.
Yes its working now; thanks.

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... With the next upgrade I would like to move all of those attachments into your attachment gallery where they would be more generally useful. ...
Useful to who? I hardly ever look there and I don't know how to add images without posting them somewhere else.
 

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As it is now you need to remember where you used an attachment. The attachments in the comments under an article are confusing since the purpose of the comments is to comment on the article.

The feature I am talking about is not the Media Gallery that is for publishing pictures as the primary focus, but the personal collection of all your attachments that can be sorted by date and provides links to the original posts.

 

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When we moved to this version, the comments on your articles were not useful for the purpose of talking about the article because they were full of your attached images. I thought it would be better to hide the comments to make the articles easier to read.
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With the next upgrade I would like to move all of those attachments into your attachment gallery where they would be more generally useful.
The feature I am talking about is ... the personal collection of all your attachments that can be sorted by date and provides links to the original posts.
So what you seem to be saying boils down to that you wish to restrict links to images in Encyclopedia articles to only those images that have been posted in Message Board threads ("... the original posts ...").

That's what I've been struggling against from the beginning. Originally, I posted the images in the sandbox where they'd be out of the way. However, as I later learned, the sandbox was considered expendable and the links to the images disappeared after awhile (whenever the Message Board was updated). That was why I started putting them in the Comments sections of the Encyclopedia articles.

So, where can I post large numbers of images whose links won't go away whenever the Message Board is updated?
 

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I am very sorry that support of images of PDF files was dropped in XenForo Version 2. I have not worked very hard to repair it since i was almost the only one to use the feature. I have some ideas for a work around but it is inherently difficult to use. The problem is that there is no mechanism for treating a non-image attachment like an on-line resource and providing a link to it through a picture.

It was never part of the core software and the developer retired with no one willing to pick up his products.
 

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I was wrong. They were lost from the vB source apparently. I replaced them all in the first post under our new parameters.

I have the tools now to do edits on PDF files and conversions so I can probably fix anything fairly quickly. Jerry T.'s scan of the Howard Watch Works parts catalog was done as PDF and I could just tell my PDF editor to make each page a png file.
 

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I was wrong. They were lost from the vB source apparently. I replaced them all in the first post under our new parameters.

I have the tools now to do edits on PDF files and conversions so I can probably fix anything fairly quickly. Jerry T.'s scan of the Howard Watch Works parts catalog was done as PDF and I could just tell my PDF editor to make each page a png file.
It would be helpful if the vBulletin site could again be available to moderators and administrators. I have used it in the past to restore missing images, where possible.
 

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I will try to sort it out.
 

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Has there been any progress on fixing the image issues mentioned in the previous post?
 

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When we did the last big upgrade, the mechanism that was in place to silently slip in the old vB attachments was lost and the old site was not available for a while. None of the information is lost, I am just having a hard time getting everything done that needs to be done.

I now have the old site available again. but the experience in the last upgrade makes me think we need to eliminate the need for that mechanism. I have imported two of the images from that thread as images here and I will try to come up with a strategy for all of them (not just in that thread).
 

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When we did the last big upgrade, the mechanism that was in place to silently slip in the old vB attachments was lost and the old site was not available for a while. None of the information is lost, I am just having a hard time getting everything done that needs to be done.

I now have the old site available again. but the experience in the last upgrade makes me think we need to eliminate the need for that mechanism. I have imported two of the images from that thread as images here and I will try to come up with a strategy for all of them (not just in that thread).
Well, leave it up until the strategy has proven to be successful. To my knowledge, many of the missing images were those that were were inserted in line directly from the hard drive of a user's computer, bypassing the management attachments function.
 

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