Please help with a Rockford Watch & Chicago Watch Cover Co. ? 1885 pocket watch

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  1. oregoncollector

    oregoncollector New Member

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    #1 oregoncollector, Feb 26, 2013
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    I guess what I should have said was more the maker or rarity of the watch cover. Unfortunately my Grandmother recently passed at the wonderful age of 99. Most of what she passed on to me, I will keep and cherish, including her small collection of pocket watches. However, I never committed to memory what she told me (who they belong to/the significance etc.) of them. I decided to do a little research myself...which has been a blast! I'm not looking for value or a venue to sell this particular item...I just don't know anything about it or the collection in general. This particular one has me intrigued because I really want to find out if its the Chicago Watch Cover Co., the Crescent Watch Cover Co., or perhaps even the Canadian Watch Cover Co.? The logo is similar to that of the Crescent, which I've learned, eventually purchased the Chicago Co., but I'm stumped. I can't find it anywhere. Plus the stamped number is relatively "low", 4506. So, I've decided to come here to hopefully gain some knowledge. A couple pieces of information that I (think correctly, but not 100% sure) have identified if that the watch is a Rockford, possibly an 1885 model 2. The serial number is 87467 on the back of the watch. ANY additional information/direction would be much much appreciated! I've tried to take an attach photos, that hopefully are included.
    Thanks much, and sorry for the long winded post.
    Eric
     

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  2. darrahg

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    Here is a link to the Crescent Watch Case Co. https://mb.nawcc.org/showwiki.php?title=Crescent_Watch_Case_Co I don't track watch case serial numbers so do not know about the rarity of it. It has moderate wear but still plenty of life left in it.
    You identified the Rockford correctly. It is a nice one in that the plates are nickel and not the more common gilt. Here is a link to the Rockford database on the Chapter 149 web site. Just enter the movement serial number (87467) for more information. http://www.nawcc-ch149.com/db_resch/rockforddatabase_E.html Rockford did not keep a very accurate accounting of its product, thus, some information might be in error.
     
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    Thank you for your reply! What I really want to find out is how early, or in in fact, its a Chicago not Crescent cover. I've looked through all of the marks under Crescent, and this one is different. Stumped!
    Thanks again!
     
  4. Greg Frauenhoff

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    Eric,

    Regarding your case/watch, I believe that it dates to the time (c. 1884) when the Chicago Watch Case Co. was making a line of gold-filled "Crescent" cases. So it's a Chicago (in my opinion).

    Greg
     
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    Thanks Greg. Do you come across the Chicago "mark" very often?
     
  6. Greg Frauenhoff

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    I've most often seen the marking "Chicago" (which I've always assumed is for Chicago Watch Case Co.) on coin silver cases. As for the "C. W. C. Co." marking with the different crescent and star trademark (i. e. like yours), I can't remember when I last saw one. Of course, the later Crescent Watch Case Co. cases with the "typical" crescent and star mark (and also marked "C. W. C. Co.") are very common.

    It's all rather confusing, to me anyway.
     
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    #8 oregoncollector, Feb 27, 2013
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    Kent
    Forgive my ignorance, but I can't seem to located the hallmark you refer to anywhere on or around page 113. I'm aware of what the Crescent hallmarks look like, but nowhere have I been able to find the one on this watch. Hopefully you have.
    Thanks!


     
  9. Squite

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    The crescent mark found under the serial number in photo #3 of the initial post is found in the middle of the right hand side of page 133 on the linked circular. The crescent mark in the ad has a "AWWCo." above it, but the mark itself is the same. You need to remember marks do change their labels, font styles, etc. over time. It's just a previous version of the same mark. It should be taken with the other documentation Kent provided (regarding the acquisition) to tell the entire story.
     
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    Page 113 of the book is page 131 of the pdf document. The trade mark is the fourth one down in the second column from the right.
     
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    Sorry, I meant p 113. I've been sick this week...it's starting to show in my lack of attention to detail. My apologies.
     
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    See another thread where we are having a similar discussion today. I just assembled a movement just like this one tonight (but with a gold plated finish), and have some pictures of it, along with the serial number. Like yours, mine has two movement mounting screws and is key wound. Mine is both key and stem wound, and is lever set, but is a hunter configuration (crown at 3:00 position). We are having trouble nailing down how to classify it because it has a mixture of features that are supposed to delineate between a Model 1 and Model 2 movement. Yours is another movement where the serial number does not seem to agree with the official Rockford list, or the unofficial serial lookup tables.

    https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?99582-ID-this-Rockford-18s-movement&p=755590&posted=1#post755590
     

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