Ansonia Please ID this Clock PLEASE...HELP, need clock date & name

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  1. Lara

    Lara New Member

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    My mother has had her Daddy's clock in storage for many years & I recently cleaned out the storage & found it. Unfortunately rodents made a home in it & really, really ruined it & the decorative glass was broken too. The top was broken off. I was heart sick :( I told my mother I wanted to have it fixed & restored & have spent days now researching...trying to find out the NAME & DATE of this Ansonia Clock (It is missing any paper stickers with name of it)....on the internet, I have found only a few but not one that has the same exact glass door design in addition to the case.
    ok...so here is an example 175: Ansonia Gingerbread Clock - Oct 13, 2012 | Martin Auction Co. in IL on LiveAuctioneers This clock has same exact case (but not glass door design)...this clock sold for $70 in 2012 but did not any helpful details...no name & no date & here is an example (a sold clock) Magnífico Reloj Reloj Antiguo Eastlake Ansonia Salón W 2 Querubines & función de alarma | eBay of exact glass design (this class design does not seem that common...I have seen a only a few other clocks, OTHER THAN ANSONIA, that also have exact same glass)
    I am exhausted from research! I really tried hard before asking for help...I saw a website where someone suggested this forum...so here I am...desperate for help. I went through every single picture of the clocks on this website database & didn't find the case or glass design
    Antique Ansonia Clocks - Clock Model Names

    *also I looked through a few limited catalogs...all pages here
    Ansonia Documents

    The movement has a patent date of 1882 & they key has Ansonia...on it...I forgot to take a pic of the other side of key but looks nickle plated . I didn't see "Ansonia" on edge of dial anywhere
    *ALSO under the beat plate (I've been learning through my research what some things are lol) It appears like a makers mark:???:? I hope so anyways.
    I figured someone on here would probably know in a minute what year & name this clock is :)
    PLEASE HELP....Thanks very much :) I have no clue about clocks at all. I need to start by cleaning it or having it cleaned...I don't want to ruin it more :/
    I attached many pics of our damaged clock to help ID *don't cry...

    clock1.jpg glass&pendilum.jpg 20190816_144458.jpg IMG_20190822_115152.jpg IMG_20190822_115042nickel plated double end wing clock key.jpg IMG_20190822_114304.jpg IMG_20190822_114237BeatPlate.jpg IMG_20190822_114930.jpg IMG_20190822_112044.jpg IMG_20190822_114903.jpg IMG_20190822_113932.jpg back.jpg 20190816_144710.jpg 20190816_145709.jpg 20190816_145657.jpg
     
  2. bruce linde

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    hmm... the case can be cleaned. the movement can be cleaned (and serviced). the smoonch in the pendulum bob can be un-smoonched. the beat indicator can be touched up and re-attached. the dial paper can be replaced. the glass, unfortunately, presents a more complicated problem.

    just my opinion: at the end of the day, though, you'd have a lovely clock that cost way more to restore than it's probably worth.

    if someone has tran's ansonia book and can identify the model, you can then focus your searches on eBay and at auction houses... and quite possibly replace it for a reasonable price.

    btw... thx for posting links only to sold items... really appreciate when new guests actually read the rules! :cool:
     
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  3. Lara

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    Yes...I have noticed that replacing the glass will be difficult...I did find a company that makes this same pattern on new glass for $11 BUT I think I would prefer an original & yes I realized after looking at prices of these type clocks that it will cost me more than it's worth BUT it's worth it to me...it was my Grandfather's clock.
    Irreplaceable. Thank you so much for your input.
     
  4. leeinv66

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    Yes, the intrinsic value is often more than the extrinsic value when it comes to family owned time pieces. Most of what you have can be salvaged and the rest can be replaced. Good luck with the project!
     
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  5. Willie X

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    I would probably keep the glass, if it will stay in place with no danger of falling out. It would be very unlikely to ever find a replacement for a split top door like that.

    It definately needs a lot of work but easily restorable. At least it's all in one piece except for the broken top. This can easily be made but it's very difficult to match old work with new work. I have had good luck seeking out local people who do repair work for antique shops, movers, and collectors. I've run across a few that could restore a bad case, like yours and make it look great, repaired but still looking like an old clock.

    Someone will usually come up with a good photo, or catalog representation, to show you what that broken top piece once looked like.

    Most would call your clock a 'parlor' clock.

    Good luck, Willie X
     
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  6. Lara

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    I did find a clock for sale with same glass pattern & 5 sided that will work...it's $150 for the clock...I think that's too much...for me anyways to pay just to get the glass out of it... I do know what the top of the clock (crown?) looks like...see a sold clock here with same case 175: Ansonia Gingerbread Clock - Oct 13, 2012 | Martin Auction Co. in IL on LiveAuctioneers I have found a couple more clocks for sale with same top (same case) so I am pretty sure it's right...but could be wrong too? I am taking it tomorrow to a local clock shop, has some good reviews...hope to get answers & find out about how much it would cost to clean it all up & service the movement or whatever it needs.

    Thanks Willie for looking at this post & your time to reply & encouragement :)
     
  7. Willie X

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    You are welcome.

    It takes a lot of time and/or money (time = money) to restore a clock like this but being able to find another like clock can be a big plus. Just be sure the part/s you need to use are correct. Photos with many exact measurements are necessary.

    Warning, having two clocks that are exactly alike is very rare and the case is best shipped in a second box, completely separate from the movement parts. This is especially important when the glass is your main point of interest.

    WIllie X
     
  8. Steven Thornberry

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    The clock is called the Aden. Tran Duy Ly's book on Ansonia clocks shows it from the 1894 catalogue. It may well have been offered a few years either side of that year. The description accompanying the illustration mentions that it came in either American walnut or oak.
     
  9. JTD

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    As for the glass, I had a very similar case, and the owner felt that the original glass must be somehow preserved. Like yours, it had broken into several quite large pieces, but the breaks, like yours, were clean and not splintered.

    I cleaned the surface dirt off. each piece, very carefully so as not to hurt the stencilled pattern. When the glass was as clean as I could get it, I glued the pieces together using special glass glue which dries invisible. (It is important to ensure that the broken edges are clean as well as the main surface).

    The result was not perfect, if you looked closely you could see where the breaks had been, but they were not too obvious and the glass itself was clean and the pattern clear. The owner was pleased.

    JTD
     
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