Please help me know what my clock is and a rough date.

[Grundey2]

Hi all. I recently bought 2 wall clocks as I like there appearance and felt they would look well in our new 1850 farm house.

the case of both need restoration and it would be good to get the clock running but first I would like some help to understand if the first clock mechanism is worth restoring, if it’s a “good” mechanism and roughly what date it may be.

Any help would be welcomed

 

[new2clocks]

Hi all. I recently bought 2 wall clocks as I like there appearance and felt they would look well in our new 1850 farm house.

the case of both need restoration and it would be good to get the clock running but first I would like some help to understand if the first clock mechanism is worth restoring, if it’s a “good” mechanism and roughly what date it may be.

Any help would be welcomed

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Welcome to the forum.

The trademark on your movement belongs to Badische Uhrenfabrik, a German company. It is also known as Baduf (Badische Uhrenfabrik) . The trademark was registered in 1890, so we know it is not older than 1890.

Badische did not leave many clues for dating their clocks. Pictures of the case and dial may provide clues to its vintage.

Regards.

 

[Grundey2]

Thank you for responding so quickly.

I’m finding the research very interesting. Unfortunately I have already started dismantling the case so have pieces it back together as best I can and included a photo.

I can take further photos if it helps

 

[new2clocks]

Thank you for responding so quickly.

I’m finding the research very interesting. Unfortunately I have already started dismantling the case so have pieces it back together as best I can and included a photo.

I can take further photos if it helps

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You have a Vienna style wall clock, which were popular from 1890 to WW I, give or take. Unfortunately, I see no clues to help narrow the dates. Perhaps others can provide a BADUF catalog, which will give you a more narrow circa date (+ / - 5 years), as clock cases were usually not limited to one particular year.

You have a BADUF gong bracket, which is nice to have as opposed to a generic bracket.

if the first clock mechanism is worth restoring

Yes, it is.

Regards.

 

[Grundey2]

Thanks for all the information, it’s really appreciated.
I will continue online searching with this information for try and find examples of how it should look once restored.

I will soon strip clock two and come back for information on that one too.

I think I’ve been bitten by the bug. Can you recommend any books that I should consider for clock mechanism restoration. I’m keen to learn and do as much as possible myself, unless you suggest I shouldn’t.

Many Thanks
J

 

[new2clocks]

I think I’ve been bitten by the bug.

It only gets worse (in a good way).

Can you recommend any books that I should consider for clock mechanism restoration. I’m keen to learn and do as much as possible myself, unless you suggest I shouldn’t.

If you get no replies in this thread to this question, feel free to start a new thread in the Clock Repair Section regarding clock repair and books for the beginner.

If you have any issues on case repair / restoration, post a new thread in the Clock Construction and Restoration section.

Regards.

 

[Grundey2]

Thank you - I will post in the Clock repair section.

I’ve also started stripping Clock 2. I’ve included some pictures below of where I’ve got too. Over all this seems to be in a much better state of repair.

I’m looking forward to getting into the detail.

I’d welcome your thoughts….

 

[disciple_dan]

Hello, Grundey2. That movement looks a lot like a HAC. I don't recognize the maker's mark. HAC has X crossing arrows as an emblem. I'm not sure of the history either. Those companies were bought and sold over the years by other companies. Someone will come along with better info.
Nice clock. Please be sure to show us the finished piece. Thanks, Danny

 

[new2clocks]

I don't recognize the maker's mark.

Clock Number 2 shows the trademark (the three stars) of .... not a quick answer, but here goes ....

The three star sign, is the well-known mark of first, Mauer, Pfaff and Maier (in Villingen, on the then Baden side of the Black Forest), then of the Uhrenfabrik Villingen AG (with a branch factory in Niedereschach). And later, of Peter-Uhren GmbH, aka the Uhrenfabriken Niedereschach-Rottweil. MP&M, UVAG, and Peter all made about everything from alarms to tall clocks.

The typically messy history in brief: the Uhrenfabrik Villigen AG is founded in 1899 from what was the Uhrenfabrik Villingen Maurer, Pfaff & Maier (which was itself founded from earlier firms in 1895); the UVAG goes bankrupt in 1914; part of UVAG (in Vill.) goes to Josef Kaiser; part of UVAG (in Niedereschach) goes to Andreas Peter; Peter uses the UVAG 3-star mark; Peter doesn't go bankrupt until 1996. [Courtesy Doug Stevenson].

Based on the looks of the clock, I would say it was either from Mauer, Pfaff and Maier or Uhrenfabrik Villigen AG.

Regards.

 

[Grundey2]

Hello, Grundey2. That movement looks a lot like a HAC. I don't recognize the maker's mark. HAC has X crossing arrows as an emblem. I'm not sure of the history either. Those companies were bought and sold over the years by other companies. Someone will come along with better info.
Nice clock. Please be sure to show us the finished piece. Thanks, Danny

I certainly will share as I progress and the final piece

 

[Grundey2]

You real

Clock Number 2 shows the trademark (the three stars) of .... not a quick answer, but here goes ....

The three star sign, is the well-known mark of first, Mauer, Pfaff and Maier (in Villingen, on the then Baden side of the Black Forest), then of the Uhrenfabrik Villingen AG (with a branch factory in Niedereschach). And later, of Peter-Uhren GmbH, aka the Uhrenfabriken Niedereschach-Rottweil. MP&M, UVAG, and Peter all made about everything from alarms to tall clocks.

The typically messy history in brief: the Uhrenfabrik Villigen AG is founded in 1899 from what was the Uhrenfabrik Villingen Maurer, Pfaff & Maier (which was itself founded from earlier firms in 1895); the UVAG goes bankrupt in 1914; part of UVAG (in Vill.) goes to Josef Kaiser; part of UVAG (in Niedereschach) goes to Andreas Peter; Peter uses the UVAG 3-star mark; Peter doesn't go bankrupt until 1996. [Courtesy Doug Stevenson].

Based on the looks of the clock, I would say it was either from Mauer, Pfaff and Maier or Uhrenfabrik Villigen AG.

Regards.

You really are a font of Knowledge, and thanks for sharing your knowledge with me.

so this is a similar age to Clock 1?

I was interested with the clock face having numbers rather than Roman numerals. I can’t say I have really noticed this on antique clocks previously, but maybe I walk around with my eyes closed. Was this more dependent on the maker, or something else?

apologies for all the questions
Many Thanks
James

 

[new2clocks]

so this is a similar age to Clock 1?

Yes. Clock number 2 is a Vienna style wall clock and the age would be similar to clock number 1.

Was this more dependent on the maker, or something else?

It was not dependent on the maker. Most clocks from the mid-1800s forward offered dials with numerals and also Roman numerals.

apologies for all the questions

No apologies are necessary. I am glad to answer your questions.

thanks for sharing your knowledge with me.

You are welcome and the only reason I can share my knowledge is because others were willing to share their knowledge with me!

Regards.

 

[Grundey2]

Thanks.
I’ll get on with restoring them and share my progress.
Really appreciate all the help.
J