Pictures of Moon Dials

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  1. Tinker Dwight

    Tinker Dwight Registered User

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    Hi I thought it might be fun to start a thread of Moon dials.
    Not entire clocks, just dials. It is OK to include information about
    the clock it is on though.

    Here are mine. The clock is a Colonial Mfg C. 1642 made around 1950.
    The battle ship is the Schesien DM that fought in both WWI and WWII
    but was lost in WWII. The Moon faces are only slightly different
    and I don't know if the country seen is someplace real.
    Tinker Dwight
     

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    Photos 1-4 Colonial 5 tubular bell clock with Urgos movement, Westminster Chime

    Photos 5 - 6 Emperor clock Co. Hermle Triple Chime movement (1161-853)

    Photos 7 - 9 Herschede No. 294 Haverford, Nine tubular bell

    Photos 10 - 12 Emperor Clock Co. Urgos Westminster Chime
     

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    Herschede 294(1953) DSC07143.JPG
     
  4. MQ32shooter

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    Fun thread. I'll have to check my 5 tube Herschede when I get home tonight.
     
  5. Danno52661

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    Nice Dials I love the Ship ones the best
     
  6. chimeclockfan

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    This Waltham's moon dial is rather interesting due to the extended hemispheres.

    A favorite of mine is the Bawo & Dotter dial, moon dial and everything.
     

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  7. Jim Duncan

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    Here's mine from a 7-tube Colonial Manufacturing tall case circa 1926 with Winterhalder movement. Don't know what the steamship is. Sometimes the moon face looks so inscrutable - perhaps a bit melancholy?

    Jim

    Colonial village on face.jpg Colonial steamship on face .jpg Colonial moon 2 cls.jpg
     
  8. Bill Stuntz

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    I don't think there were very many 4-funnel liners built. One of them was Titanic, but from the photos on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_funnel_liner I suspect the one on the dial is one of the German ones. They seem to be the only ones with that white stripe at the top of the hull below the lifeboats.
     
  9. Tinker Dwight

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    Hi Jim
    I think you'll find that this was a real ship. It seems to have the same technique that was used
    for my dial. A picture of a real ship was glued to the dial and then painted over.
    That is the reason for the different color and fringe around the ship.
    I'd be curious to see pictures of your movement. I believe mine, made around 1950 sometime
    was made from bits and piece of the M. Winterhalder stuff. It is also a 7 tube but doesn't have
    the switches at the top, it has them as pins along the side.
    You can send them as a separate PM, I think would be fine.
    Tinker Dwight
     
  10. Tinker Dwight

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    If I had to pick one of the ships, I think I'd pick the SS Kronprinz Wilhelm.
    Pictures seem to match the lifeboat hangers and it is also one that had a
    significant military career. The ship on my dial also had military significance.
    Tinker Dwight
     
  11. Jim Duncan

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    #11 Jim Duncan, Feb 8, 2013
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    TD - I think you made a good call on which ship it was/is based on the illustration in Wikipedia (attached). I found an older note from zepernick (3 yrs ago?) suggesting it might be the SS Kaiser Wilhem der Grosse (see B&W photo). Too close for me to decide. Sister ships?

    I'll contact you via PM for photos of the works.

    Jim

    SS Kronprinz Wilhelm on Wikipedia.png SS Kiaser Wilhem der Grosse from maritimequest.com.png
     
  12. Tinker Dwight

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    Counting the hangers for the life boats is the difference.
    Tinker Dwight
     
  13. Scrapyard Guitar

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    Hi, here is mine that I have just bought to restore, the dial is by Walker and Finnemore of Birmingham, UK. As far as I have been able to discover so far, Messers Walker and Finnemore painted clock dials between 1805 and 1811 (although to me that seems a very short career). As I have said I have just acquired the clock and am currently trying to discover how the moon dial and date hand work as the necessary wheels and levers are absent from the movement although there are the relevant threaded holes and broken remains to suggest that they may have been removed by a previous keeper of the clock. The current condition of the movement would indicate that this was not at any time in the recent past... but that is for a different thread. My offering before any restoration, I hope that you like them as much as I. moon1.jpg moon2.jpg
     
  14. Mike306p/Ansoniaman

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    Here is mine. You may have to double click to enkarge.Looks like alot of others. Mike
     

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  15. rudiedog

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    My gfather face.jpg Regular Howard Miller moon dial. I enameled the face.
     
  16. weissgoblue

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    Attached are photos of the moon dial on my latest aquisition a Colonial Gothic Grandmother Clock (see separate post under latest aquisitions)

    The ship pictureon the dial seems to be the same as the "Battleship Schesien DM" mentioned by Tinker Dwight above but the other picture appears to be of a cottage which is different.

    I'd be interested in any info on the clock that is known.

    Thanks

    Paul

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  17. Tinker Dwight

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    Both your picture and mine was from before WWI. Sometime before,
    1935, one pair of stacks were converted to a single giving it one
    original and one oval shaped stack.
    Tinker Dwight
     
  18. Joe Hollen

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    Here's a moon dial from an antique clock that I just finished restoring. ...A VERY tough project !! The only recent painting I've done is some reverse glass painting, so this was a lot different ! As you can see, the original moon dial (the first picture) was deteriorated beyond repair !

    IMG_0209.jpg IMG_0284.jpg IMG_0286.jpg IMG_0288.jpg IMG_0292.jpg IMG_0293.jpg

    Joe...
     
  19. Tinker Dwight

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    Great, so little to work with to start with.
    Be sure to date and sign the back and indicate
    the restoration.
    In a 100 years you will be famous.
    Tinker Dwight
     
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  21. JTD

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    Actually the ship mentioned in posts above was the Schlesien, not Schesien. (Schlesien is German for Silesia). I am not trying to clever, just thinking of researchers in years to come.

    This ship had quite a chequered history but I only know details in German.

    JTD
     
  22. Tinker Dwight

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    Thanks for keeping us honest. It was obsolete in the first world
    war and even more obsolete in the second.
    It floated and carried armament so it was used. It still served
    Germany well in both wars( not that I was on their side ). I
    still respect the many sailors that served on it. There
    is some interesting history on the web, in English as well.
    Tinker Dwight
     
  23. Terry C.

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    In addition to the moons themselves, historically it seems that moon dials most often include a land scene and a sea scene. Why is that?

    Have I just not noticed variations? (I'm aware of a few.... some more recent dials have stars accompany the moons and occasionally the second scene may be a shoreline...... )

    TIA

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  24. Tinker Dwight

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    May had older sailing ships on one half but the other
    seemed to be, often, mountain village scenes.
    I'd like to have more pre-1900 pictures.
    Tinker Dwight
     
  25. novicetimekeeper

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    Just saw this thread mentioned, I have only been involved with two moon dials so far.

    Richard Wills of Truro, 1780, which I will have installed and running next week. It is a moon roller with a sailing ship as one scene and Britannia as the other.

    attachment.jpg attachment.jpg attachment.jpg

    and my penny moon by Porthouse which is around 1750.

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  26. richfkfd

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    #26 richfkfd, Oct 27, 2016
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    I thought I'd try to post a couple pictures of the moon dial from my English clock. Dial restored by Kathi Seiwert of dial House II. CAN'T GET THE JPG's TO UPLOAD. IS IT A SIZE PROBLEM?
     
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    Probably, how big are they?
     
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    The size is about 1.2mb dim. 1536 x2048 @ 72dpi jpg.
    Thanks novice' for your help.
    Rich f.
     
  29. Ralph

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    Here's a very early bracket clock moon dial. It is engraved and silvered, with blue ground background in relief.

    coatesfrtmoon.jpg

    Here are some American tallcase dials....

    jb2.JPG jb2moon.jpg JEBY.jpg jebymoon.jpg ne1.JPG ne1moon.jpg ne2.JPG ne2moon.jpg

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  30. Ralph

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    Here's a few more ne3.JPG ne3moon - Copy.jpg NEdwards.jpg nedwardsmoon.jpg nutcdial1.jpg ny1.JPG ny1moon.jpg Schreiner0001.JPG schreiner0001moon.jpg SIMG_0461.JPG
     
  31. rudiedog

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    In post #16, is the ship white because it is a Red Cross medical ship? Very interesting moon dial to say the least!
     
  32. Tinker Dwight

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    These were war ships. Colors were no indication of being medical ships. If they
    were, there'd have been a Red Cross painted clearly on them.
    Such ships were the pride of the Germans. Many had relatives that served on
    these ships.
    Tinker Dwight
     
  33. novicetimekeeper

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    I don't usually pay too much attention to moon rollers as they are later than the clocks I am interested in, but I was told about a clock last week that would suggest always looking more closely

    It is a brass dial moon roller longcase in a mahogany case. Well that's enough to put me right off, it suggests 1760 or later.

    Except this one has been modernised. Originally square dial in a walnut veneer on oak case, the veneer had been lifted and replaced with mahogany, the arch with moon roller added to hood and dial.

    The signature on the chapter ring?

    Fromanteel & Clarke
     
  34. Bruce Alexander

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    Here are a few pics of the Moon Dial of a Hanson Model 1250 circa 1930. The Movement is a W&H Sch as indicated on the Dial. Not sure what Flags are flying on the Ship. Perhaps they are not an accurate representation of any Country?

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    Nick,

    Is this early enough... ;) The moon dial is engraved in relief with a blue ground background. It is about 1730ish, in my opinion.

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    1730 is about when moon rollers came in isn't it?

    That's rather nice, I much prefer the silvered roller discs to the painted ones and you can't go wrong with a mock pendulum in my eyes. My tastes in bracket clocks and dial clocks are later, mainly budget constraints but style too.

    Though if I could find a pre 1700 bracket I could afford it would win hands down.
     
  37. Ralph

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    When moon rollers came in? Yes...1725-30. The clock pictured might be 1735, but it is an early example.

    The maker John Coates is listed in Loomes around 1740, but I think the clock is earlier.

    Ralph
     
  38. novicetimekeeper

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    I have not seen those spandrels before, but then I am not very experienced in bracket clocks but I look forward to getting another.
     

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