Pictures of Clocks in the Horolovar Collection

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  1. KurtinSA

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    Is there a site which shows all of the clocks that were in Charles Terwilliger's collection? There are only a few shown in the stuck link at the top of the page. One of the Torsion Times articles mentions a "huge 28.5 inch mysterious torsion pendulum clock." I haven't had the pleasure of seeing a copy of the rare book "The Horolovar Collection". I'd like to be able to look at all the clocks in the collection.

    Thanks...Kurt
     
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    Kurt,

    You need to look no further than the 10th ed. repair guide. Starting on page 22, clocks 1, 6, and 7, then starting on page 34, clocks 9-13, 15, 19-21, 46-52, 54, 56-58, 60, 61, 63, 66-68, 70-73, 76-85, and 87 were in the collection. There are several not shown in the repair guide, but two of those were shown in the 22nd silent auction brochure, lots 48 and 71.

    Hope this gets you started.

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    Eric -

    Thanks...I guess one has to have a special "code" to know that. I was hoping for some nice color photos in order to see more detail. I'm guessing the "huge 28.5 inch mysterious torsion pendulum clock" is clock #60 in the guide. A dozen of the clocks are shown in the link to Charles O Terwilliger above.

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    Kurt,

    I guess the "code" is having copy of the HC to look at. When I got my copy I noticed some similarities between its photos and those in the repair guide. On closer examination I saw they were the same so I cross referenced them in my repair guide. The collection was published in black and white, and the actual photos were reproduced in the repair guide about 1/3 size, so not much to gain there.

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    I transfered your info to those clocks in my RG. So at least I have that.

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    Most of the descriptions of the collection clocks themselves are very general and incorrect or incomplete, and dates are mostly incorrect. What I find more interesting and useful are the additional side articles and the appendix provided in the book. Again, a lot of the information is repeated in the repair guide but some of it is unique.

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    There's a copy at the John Peace Library at the University of Texas in San Antonio, Call no. NK7483.TA. It's shown as available.
     
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    Eric -

    Thanks...they're just down the road! Finding a parking spot might be a challenge, though!

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    I never made it to the school's library. But the NAWCC was selling a signed copy of the book and I decided to jump on it. It will be a couple of weeks before I get it. I'm looking forward to seeing it! :clap:

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    Kurt,

    That's great!

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    I have gone through the HC book and annotated errors and omissions. Don't have the document available at the moment but recall that more than 3/4 of the clocks have incorrect info and some of them are marriages. With regard to the back plates shown for these clocks in the Repair guide, there are 9 that have either the wrong plate specified or the correct plate but with a different serial number than found in the HC book photos.
     
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    Gee...now I don't fee so good! ;)

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    But if you're really a collector you've still gotta have one! It's a piece of history in itself.

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  14. KurtinSA

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    I agree! I've been drastically marking up my repair guide when updated info is offered. Is it proper or OK to do the same to the "collection"? I'd like it to show as accurately as possible.

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    Personally I would not because presently the book has more value than the information it contains. I'm all about marking up the repair guide, but it's a tool and you can still get a new copy.

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    Makes sense. Maybe I'll keep an errata sheet.

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    John -

    Have you noted the errors in the HC book here on the message board?

    As I've been reading through it, I notice often that Terwilliger describes a clock but sometimes doesn't even say if the movement was Huber, Hauck, JUF, etc. He might describe the clock but will leave off some of the important documentary info IMO.

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    #17 etmb61, Mar 10, 2019
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    Hi Kurt,

    The Collection book was published in 1962. I think it's very safe to say that Terwilliger just didn't know who made the clocks and he identified them as best he could. I own and eighth ed. of the repair guide printed in 1978 and at that time plates were only identified by the actual markings on them. There are no plates marked Hauck and only some of the lantern pinion movements are marked Huber.

    I think it would make for an interesting discussion to properly identify each clock in the HC.

    Eric
     

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