Philip Hauck Plate:1607 Chrome

[Ken M]

So, as usual, I'm thinking I paid too much, but I had to have it. In a twist of fate, I just recovered some money I thought was lost, so...... And the offer was $25 less than what I actually paid, but who's counting. I guess I'll have to find a disc pendulum and have it chromed.

 

[KurtinSA]

Wherever it says Philip Haas in the repair guide, change that to Philip Hauck. From what I can see, this is a marriage clock...the base, columns, and column toppers are JUF. The movement does appear to be 1607. Not sure what's going on with the top part of the saddle...something sticks up way too tall. It might have looked something like this.

Kurt

 

[Ken M]

I saw that in the book. Maybe is all there, but another enterprising soul tried something else, like the thumb wheel guy.

 

[Ken M]

Well, it could pass!

 

[Ken M]

I really need to look at these things closer. Impulse buying should be resisted.

 

[etmb61]

My first Hauck had a suspension something like that. It has since been replaced with the proper parts.



Eric

 

[Ken M]

I assume that is what you had to replace?

 

[etmb61]

I assume that is what you had to replace?

Yes! I found all the correct parts some time later in an online auction so it's happy now.



Eric

 

[Ken M]

Horolovar has them! Great. Now I just need a disc pendulum, chromed preferably. Shouldn't be hard to find

 

[MartinM]

You could try silvering a suitable brass pendulum. It won't be a perfect match but, it'd probably pass for one in the eyes of the casual observer.

 

[Ken M]

I have to find a brass one first. A few popped up on eBay a while back, I was tempted to grab one, but did not. Now I don't see any. One will show up. I'm thinking a bright shiny brass might look good too, we'll see what happens when I find one.

 

[Ken M]

I found a Hauck pendulum. Quite expensive.

 

[Ken M]

MyHauck pendulum. Cost more than a complete Hauck shipped from the UK. I jump on things thinking they are rare, then they start popping up like daisies. The clock is through customs, I should have it soon.

 

[etmb61]

It's good you found a disk pendulum that works. Unfortunately that is a Kienzle pendulum.

By the time your clock was made all Hauck disk pendulums had small diameter 5 column galleries. The later large disks were composites of brass over steel as shown below. Only one of the adjusting weights was marked either "S F" or "R A".


The other common pendulum was their chronometer style also with 5 column galleries. These normally boost the price of an otherwise standard clock considerably.


Eric

 

[Ken M]

Hmm, I got it from Horolovar, I would think David would know the difference.Interesting design though. It is much smaller and lighter than the JUF, Becker, and others. I wonder what spring I'll need.

 

[Ken M]

I've paid a lot of money for a mutt.

 

[etmb61]

Definitely Kienzle, but if it works use it. There are lots of mutts out there. I'd start with a .004" spring.

Eric

 

[KurtinSA]

My Hauck pendulums are in the same weight range as the Schatz 49s (around 12.5 oz) so a 0.004" would seem like a good starting point. My Kienzle pendulums vary a bitt but 12-13 oz are typical.

Kurt

 

[Ken M]

11.6 oz. I think I'll start with a 0.0038. I don't know if it works, I don't have the clock yet.

 

[KurtinSA]

Sounds like a reasonable choice. Just don't cut the spring down until you know it's going to work. I've mentioned before creating a test setup where you can hang the uncut spring with the top and bottom blocks in the right position. Then you can try the pendulum out and see if that spring gives you enough adjustment range. If not, you haven't "destroyed" a spring and can put it back into your supply.

Kurt

 

[Ken M]

Just today I made a setup where I can do that.

 

[Ken M]

Got the clock today, pretty much destroyed. Dome gone. Crown broken off, base caved in, The top got hit pretty hard, other than the crown and the saddle/top block abonomation, I don't see anything else at first glance. I've got a lot of money into this mess.

 

[Ken M]

Thankfully, the base is designed in such a way that I was able to iron it out pretty good. And once it's assembled with the wood disc and the metal disc on top of that, it will be ok.

 

[Dells]

I don’t know why people can’t pack things properly, I sent a Kaiser universe to the USA from UK including glass dome and it didn’t get damaged , it’s just a matter of packing very well.
Dell

 

[KurtinSA]

Sorry you're having so much trouble for some really nice clocks. I think this sort of thing makes me think long and hard about having something shipped to me. I bought two clocks at an online auction and probably paid too much...found out that there was a slight "marriage" with one of the clocks which can't be seen from pictures. I was directed to a shipping house they worked with and paid a goodly sum to have them shipped. I had conversations with them ahead of time. They did a nice job, everything came back fine. But a lot of money was spent on that endeavor...no more.

I had one clock shipped to me by John Hubby...he knew what he was doing. I used his techniques and ended up shipping a Kundo to a friend of mine. He says it arrived fine, so I'll take his work for it!

Unless I can bring it back under my own power, I probably won't purchase clocks long distance. When I have to ship something, I know I'll go overboard.

Kurt

 

[Ken M]

I sent a message to the seller with pics, he replied promptly and said to file a claim with eBay. I just got off the phone with eBay, I'll receive a full refund in 24-48 hours. So I'm not made, I can fix it except the dome. All good.

 

[Ken M]

Got the front plate in alum to remove the broken screws, so in about 4 days I can get it running.

 

[etmb61]

If you claim damage with ebay they normally want you to return the item and issue the refund after. That could be a good thing. The clock is a Hauck movement on a JUF base anyway. The top center finial is a JUF part too. I'd send it back and find a Kienzle to match you new pendulum!

If it's an important clock I give detailed packing instructions and try to get the seller to agree to them. I expect dome to get broken any more. At least most of your damaged parts are metal. Dials are miserable to find.


Eric

 

[Ken M]

The girls said they would override the sellers no return policy. I got all hot and bothered. Turned out that was just a procedural thing. The seller doesn't get dinged, I keep the clock. A full refund has been issued. I'm going to see if I can find a way to match the chrome.

I know the middle finial was already broke, someone glued it. I only found one broken screw, that doesn't mean the other wasn't in that mess. It looks like adhesive on the bottom of the crown, but there was adhesive on two posts Maybe the crown was already broke? Don't know.

Is there supposed to be a twist in this thing?

And....yuck.

 

[KurtinSA]

I've never found the cannon pinion of that type to be twisted.

Kurt

 

[Wayne A]

Thats some damage! Just about have to pack them to take a 10ft drop and be sat on by a horse. Few clocks I've gotten from over seas arrived ok.

Wayne

 

[TQ60]

Long ago we flew from CA to Florida where we found a 400 day clock and a hobart mixer.

Clock had the dome.

Packed all in luggage and all made it home fine.

Remember the Samsonite commercial with the gorilla...

We pack for that guy.

 

[Ken M]

That center finial has bite marks from a pair of aggressive pliers,thus broke. I drilled a 1/16" hole in the finial and the crown, chopped off 1/4" of the shank of the 1/16" drill, looks dandy.

 

[Ken M]

Can someone date the movement?

 

[etmb61]

1910-1911.

 

[Ken M]

Like this Kurt? The 0.0038" ss springs I just got all measure 0.0036". On the test bench, that was 1.06 minutes. This is a 0.0040", so I guess that what it will be.

 

[KurtinSA]

Are the top and bottom blocks located the proper distance apart? It looks like to me that you just clamped the blocks on the uncut spring. What I would have done is first put on the bottom block. The feed in the spring to the top block but let the excess go above the block until you have the right positioning. Then do your testing. If it works out, then cut the spring down to the right size.

Kurt

 

[Ken M]

The front plate is still in the bath, so with no movement, I have no idea about length. I used a scale and got a wild guess, and I think I'll be using most of the spring.

 

[Ken M]

From the ashes. The screws for the crown are smaller than the standard screws. I have screws that would work, but the heads are to big, I might try to grind them down. Right now it's just stuck on there with Quake Putty. It's been running for 45 minutes and keeping time. There's some wrinkles in the base, not too bad.

 

[MartinM]

The cannon pinion is probably twisted as some repairers do that instead of pinching it to provide friction with the minute arbor.