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  1. butlercreek

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    shows a waltham “railroader” dial..... can anyone tell me the correct time period for this dial and possible movement dial configurations for it? Thank you
     
  2. Kent

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    Just off of the top of my head, without any checking and just based on my impressions from seeing and recording notes on tens of thousands of watches:

    I don't have a copy of the 2018 edition of the book, so I don't know exactly to what you are referring. Waltham's "Railroader" dial has always meant to me the general of the dial shown below. It has appeared bearing the "Waltham" signature without "Railroader" and has also carried private label watch names (I think). I only remember seeing them on 18-size watches, but I wouldn't be surprised to see one on a 16-size movement.

    It's general period was probably 1893-1900 and it has appeared on railroad grade model 1883 movements: Crescent St.; Appleton, Tracy & Co.; No. 35; No. 25; and maybe the Non-Magnetic No. 40.

    I don't recall seeing it on model 1892 movements, but it may have been made for those as well. Again, it would have appeared on the railroad grade movements: Vanguard, Crescent St.; Appleton, Tracy & Co.; and maybe the Non-Magnetic No. 45. I think that the grade No. 845 was introduced a little late for the Railroader dial.

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  3. Greg Frauenhoff

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    I recall seeing it in Waltham's 1909 material catalog.
     
  4. butlercreek

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    Thanx guys, that’s what I was looking for..... I’ll post again on this thread in a few days with some more info
     
  5. Jerry Treiman

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    As Greg notes, the “Rail Road” dial was shown in Waltham’s 1909 material catalogs (and also the 1911 catalog). It is shown in five styles: bold Roman numerals (with and without marginal 5-minute numerals), heavy Arabic numerals (with and without marginal 5-minute numerals) and heavy Arabic with a 13-24 inner track. The first four were available single-sunk or double-sunk, the 24-hour was only single-sunk. All varieties were offered for 16 or 18-size models (presumably including the ’92 model).
     
  6. Keith R...

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    Kent, if you have one Price Guide it's all that's necessary IMHO. My 2008 has
    not changed much from my 2015 Price Guide.

    Keith R...
     
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    Keith, you might have mixed the dates on those books.
     
  8. butlercreek

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    I can confirm that it was made for the ‘92 model as I have two of them, one as pictured but without the “railroader” and the other is a 24 hour dial.
     
  9. Bill Manders

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    I also have it on a 92, without the railroader heading
    Bill
     
  10. Keith R...

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    179, you are correct..................It's actually 2004 edition & 2015 edition!

    Thanks, Keith R...
     
  11. W.T. Owen

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    I have several of these dial in all forms mentioned but none of them include the "RailRoader" on it. Didnt know they were produced until now.
     

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