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  1. Keith R...

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    #251 Keith R..., Mar 19, 2019
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    Add one for the guys that don't know rocks.:)

    I did see the Moody Blues at Red Rock!

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    PS....Never saw so much grey hair in my life.........
     
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    Here's a detached lever I'm hoping to case.

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    Need to run a cylinder this week. Last time it finished even with sat time.

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    The pierced work in the back is gorgeous. What age is it, and is it French?
     
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    #255 Keith R..., Mar 21, 2019
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    Well, it has an English escape wheel. It's probably made by a French guy
    who migrated to England back in the day. Graham is more up on their history
    then I. The period is around 1790. I would imagine it was in a pair case that
    had worn out by the 1860's and US jeweler re-cased it in a 16 size Coin hunter
    case.

    Thanks Duncan. For all others, the complaint department is open for business,
    but you must take a number.:D

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    Follow up note for London maker David Taylor. I found a like example
    on Rich Newman's Colonial site for a David Taylor 17J watch similar to
    mine posted herein, his dating to the early 1850's. One should note it
    has the same balance wheel as shown on my example, Rich's example
    is #7394, and mine #9983.

    This is also part of my home work piece I do after every watch is put up.
    So the movement was made and imported in 1850 and re-cased in 1897.

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    Ray is better than I am................I say I'm done and then something comes along.

    I got to have a new rule. New rule, only look. If it can displace anything in the main display,
    go for it. If not, give it's location to friends. If nothing, then the next month pot has doubled.

    Keep this up remainder of the year, if I see a watch that would tilt the team.............buy it!

    Then comes next year...............So that would be one watch a year........Scary!

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    Hi Keith, I stopped buying Pocket Watches years ago; I now acquire Pocket Watches and movements. Regards Ray
     
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    Update to post #256. Rich Newman's David Taylor is #7194 and is 14J.

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    Running two old favorites tonight, together, to keep them active.

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    Coon dog woke me up..............she's got something cornered on the other
    end of the hay field. I'm not wasting bullets, she's on her own. Now maybe
    in day light If it's a coyote, I'll take it down.

    Of course this happened last year and it was a black bear.

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    I took this shot upon request of a friend. This one ca 1850, perfect 48MM time keeper.

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    Reading Allan's Roskell revisited gives one a sense of all those watch movements
    are mostly unaccounted for. The few I've managed to rescue, are in hopes I can
    get them out of this century and into the next. As an example, my Oliver Gerrish
    required an new hairspring, my Lawrance rack a replacement dial from Liverpool
    on a London watch, (have I no shame).

    No, glad to do it. Good Sunday morning to all of you (or whatever day it might be
    in your part of the world).

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    Nice watch !!
     
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    Thanks Tim. I usually run a guest verge on weekends. This means of the 9 accurate
    verges I have, I select one and it rides the pocket throughout the day. Today is for
    an 1830 Liverpool Anderton verge. Now it has a spot in the second display, but it's
    one way for me to keep them active and enjoy the hobby one step closer.

    While I'm on here, I'll drop off a tip. For those collectors that have any key wind gold
    filled cases that get that bare spot from long ago carry, on the front and back of the
    pendant, try this trick. My two displays that house a mix of English and American's
    are in the Living room, where indirect sunlight can filter through. This sun light passes
    over the collection. After about 7 days, those spots will dissipate to a light blended
    gold tone and in hand, or in photographs, the spot will be gone. I will leave one that
    has gone through the process, one of my favorites. When you get your results, (which
    you will if applied) come back with your photo.

    So here's the Anderton verge and my Tremont gold filled example.

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    #266 Keith R..., Mar 23, 2019
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    Updated verge list

    Dwerrihouse & Carter..................1806 London
    Anderton.......................................1800 Liverpool (re-case 1833)
    John Grant Sr.................................1790 London (re-cased 1824)
    Van Wyck .......................................1796 New York jeweler (London)
    Fairey .............................................1802 (shop case) consular London
    Roberts ..........................................1807 (calendar) London
    Champion ......................................1811 (fake name) Liverpool
    Dubree .......................................... 1820 (English front wind) consular London
    Ulph ...............................................1820 Liverpool
    Davis ..............................................1834 Vale & Rotherman

    Tonight I will run the Dwerrihouse & Carter, alongside the now running Anderton.
    Both have had their final adjustments. Now both are outside the +- 2 minute window,
    but both less than 4 minutes a day to the plus side. I also wanted to show the Herring
    photo of the watch in post #265.

    Note only pic #2, taken in the light box.

    Edit, and the Dwerrihouse & Carter is fired up and running at 8:21 P.M..

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    When it comes to sizes 50MM is my favorite. I just happened to get that with the
    Dwerrihouse & Carter verge. So I know what to shoot for on the big hunt!

    The 16 size (50MM) lever or verge is the perfect size. I've taken a photo of the
    18 size (56MM) Elgin HH Taylor it's running with.

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    I love waking to good news, I got storm updates from Ray that things are dissipating with
    no loss of life, Ray's "Savage 2 pin is almost like mine":D only less common, my Dwerrihouse
    & Carter verge was plus one minute ahead of my 15J Going barrel serviced HH Taylor after
    14 hours running.

    This means the Dwerrihouse & Carter gets a slot in the box display beside the main display.
    So I have to figure out who it bumps, probably the Swiss civil war hunter case 15J.

    Now if somebody will just mail me a dial for it.;)

    Good morning to all!!

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    I got to admit something.............I love my jeweled levers, silver or gold, but
    I have a couple old verges I'm addicted to. There's just something about a verge,
    once you get'em right.

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    Something else I'd like to admit...............I have a clock. Look past the coon dog in a coma,
    above and to the right is my ships clock (sailing schooner, made of cherry I think).

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    I'm proud of this side of the board. One need only know, the very early
    pocket instruments used to mark, "time at a glance", began in Europe
    and migrated to all other parts of the world, on wooden sailing ships.

    We are the stewards of information that must be collected, organized
    and disseminated, to those who will carry the torch of this History.

    Research never ends, it only expands. I look forward to what we might
    learn this day. These small clocks we treasure, will forever have a place
    in the Knowledge of life, as we know it.

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  22. Keith R...

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    Ray and I had a discussion about a period of time where the gold dials on English
    watches were contracted through the Swiss. They probably got on to cases if the
    truth were known. Here's an 1864 case back and an 1860 Swiss dial.

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    #273 Keith R..., Mar 27, 2019
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    Well, a lady was coming by to take pics inside the cabin. I thought it best to
    clean off my picture window sill of my watch books. So I found my old ledger
    book and I decided to go back to my documentation practices of old.

    Organization can do wonders for regular order. My old Sam Kellet. Pics
    pre-service.

    PS...I had a note in there with stars that said, ask Graham where this is.

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    Hi Keith, organization in my Collection; impossible, it is more like a Pack Rat would organize. Regards Ray
     
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    Now this is typical for me. I've had a watch on radar 10 days, no tracking number.
    But seller gives the date and as always hits it the day before, even though he's in
    the UK. Good seller though, Springdale watches.

    Any way I get to the post office 2 minutes past noon and my Postal guy says, see
    ya tomorrow. So I shall pickup Mr. David Taylor. BTW, Rich has pegged his 7xxx
    for 1850. My 9xxx has the same balance wheel. I think the wheel or the watch and
    the wheel are closer to 1860, hard to tell it's re-cased in an 1897 HM case. I'll have
    a chance to do some study. This one is another watch targeted for US export by
    David Taylor 1850-1864.

    ***Note, my example is close to 10xxx.

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  26. Keith R...

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    Guys, on these Auction sites, if they tell you timing not checked.................... BELIEVE them.

    Now did yall buy your Power B ticket tonight?. After I got mine, I fired the Howard up,
    even though I had my carry watch going (Howard 5477 is my lucky watch).

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    #277 Keith R..., Mar 28, 2019
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    Well, my David Taylor came in. Larger than I thought. It is larger then my 18 size
    Marion in a 2 ounce case. The time on it when retrieved from the box is 3:45, so
    I shall wait until that time to wind it, (don't want the key pressure to loosen hands).

    I don't have enough pics on the camera card to erase the 10 pics on there. So I'll
    wait until there's 25 pics on the card, which gives me time to mark those on the card
    to be removed, (keeps an empty card this way).

    No wonder, just measured it.............it's 55MM outside the case. I think the sellers
    ruler was off.

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    Well, I gave this watch a 5 week rest, that should be enough for Mr. Ward. He's
    an 1836 11 Jewel London lever and my carry that I gave a break to. The coffee
    break is over. I took a pic with the new Taylor that just arrived.

    As you can tell, not long before I stick a key to it. The seller actually sent a number
    8 key........I'll make sure it fits, as I have over 100 keys.

    So here is David Taylor also with John Ward.

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    #279 Keith R..., Mar 28, 2019
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    Well, I missed the edit time, but I think this David Taylor is the same watch
    maker as Rich Newman's. However, this one has a dial that the seconds bit
    is sunk and it is 3,000 movements later then Rich's. I don't have enough
    production info for this maker, but given the dial is post 1850, and the watch
    movement is 17 jewels as opposed to Rich Newman's, I will play it safe with
    calling my Taylor for 1860, (it's replacement case is hallmarked for 1897).

    The first balance wheel is on my Gerrish ca 1850 and the second on my Taylor,
    which I'm calling ca 1860.

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  30. Keith R...

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    Well, it did not want to run. I opened and made sure balance was clear. I'll let it sit, but
    appears to be staff related. I won't send it back as it came from the UK, but it will go on
    my get fixed list. So the Taylor is down and out.

    So I will enjoy my Ward lever and my Molyneux 15J I'm also running (shown).

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    BTW, I spoke with a pal of mine from the American side. We are going to start a thread
    on the American side for hunter cased watches. I will word it so that it is a a time piece,
    but I won't tie it to American or European. I will inform Dave C. and Jim Haney of what
    we would like out of it. Collector participation. We are shooting for those who participate,
    to post and run one, on this coming Sunday.

    So Martin now knows..............as I just informed him here.

    Now I have to take some good photos, since I have my camera setup right.


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    Well, I could not find my old hunter case pics.

    Oh well.

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    I have mostly open face watches but do have a bunch of Hunters. I wore
    a 6s hunter last Saturday for a nice dinner. I would absolutely
    wear a Hunting case watch this Sunday.

    Sunday Hunting - wear your hunting case watches on Sundays



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    I like the idea, gentlemen. Sundays are a great day for hunters!
     
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    #285 Keith R..., Mar 29, 2019
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    I'm hoping the next time I talk with Ray on the phone, I can get a dial remedy for
    one of my favorite verges from 1806. One can see how close it came in a 24 hour
    timed test to this 15 jewel serviced watch.

    The verge is Dwerrihouse & Carter from 1806. Now with metal showing, I'm sure
    it won't be that simple.

    edit ***Selley's porcelain epoxy and white pigment mix for
    color adjustment (now clean area of course). Thanks Ray!

    PS...I found my hunter case pics for a thread on hunter cases. I will create a post
    for collectors with interest, in hunter cased watches, (Sunday run).

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    I thought about this years ago and still want to try on a dial. Probably pricey, UV cure dental filling and liquid veneer. Lol
     
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    Hi, here is before and after on my Mertel Dial. Regards Ray

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    Wow! Ray, that looks great! I've never seen anything but terrible putty jobs.

    Learn something new everyday, and I've got no shortage of practice dials
     
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    Ray - well done, that is a vast improvement, you must be pleased.

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    Great job on Mertel, I'll have the problem of no X, so one's imagination will have to suffice.

    John Fairey (1802) and D&C (1806) in photo.

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    Well "X" is the unknown Factor but in this Case it is known!
     
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    I believe that "Y" is the unknown factor, whilst "X" actually marks the spot.
     
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    Not really Martin; Whatever the case, as with Descartes' notation for powers (x3), after the publication of La Géométrie, the use of x as a principle unknown (as well as the more general tradition of a, b, c = knowns and x, y, z = unknowns) gradually caught on. And the rest, as they say, is mathematical history. What do you think about my Arrowsmith & Cuff Pocket Watch in Original Case? Regards Ray
     
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    It's actually under the big W!
     
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    That has been worrying me for days. I detect a significant change in your acquisition policy, and you need to understand that you could easily get hooked on those shiny silvery or golden things which surround your beloved movements.

    I'm hoping against hope that this turns out to be a temporary aberration .... but for the time being I think the A&C is a good-looking watch ;)
     
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    Other than an oops earlier, you guys would have been proud. I let an 1870's
    lever go, which at best one could say neat.................I have 1 extra case of neat.

    Now on the home front, my neighbor made the mistake of pulling up, got out by
    opening his truck door. I told him the coon hound just wants a lap around the pond,
    but she's to lazy to walk. :D

    He didn't seem to think it was too funny, ....................odd.............nice dog.;)

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    Good morning team! Today is gorgeous KY weather. Just a few errands to run,
    mostly for Dog food.............the coon dog eats only the best!

    Here's hoping your day goes fine!! Taylor & Co. 1834. Now I think the lid has
    a blood spot I can't get off. Plates need a clean, keeps perfect time in all positions
    though.

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    #298 Keith R..., Apr 1, 2019
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    I saw this old Hunter and liked it enough to bring it to KY. I'll fix the hour hand
    right off the bat. HM 1805. Runs.

    Clean and not a lot of use, from the side shot. This is one with no bezel, by design.

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    My PC is doing some kind of cleaning, so everything looks weird on our board.
    I had to find the Like button for John M's new 1840's verge, so perhaps later
    today when my computer has burped, I can read all of it (I got halfway through
    Grahams response notes).

    Anyway, good morning guys..............gorgeous day at least.

    Keith R...
     
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    Good morning Keith
    Raining buckets here in NC
     
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