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  1. Keith R...

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    This happens all the time. I'm waiting on a verge from Australia, and then no tracking for
    days on end, I got tired of looking. I could have made the post office on Saturday as I
    checked tracking on Sat. at 8 A.M. and still nothing. I got bored tonight and checked, it's
    been available since Sat. morning. I can't pick it up tomorrow because the PO is closed
    for Presidents Day, so I'll get it Tuesday (AD 1802).

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    Hi Keith, living in Darwin Australia your problem with tracking etc. is pretty normal; when you get your package is just the luck of the draw. I really like this latest Pocket Watch. Regards Ray
     
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    Actually, remembering some of Ray's local mail delivery stories, I had my bar to low.
    Australian post exceeded my expectations and caught me off guard!

    Thanks Ray, now I truly need to ask myself how man 1800's verges my collection
    needs. I'm 1796, 1800, 1802,1803,1807. I say I'm good for the first decade.

    This one if it cooperates, I'll get some better pics up front.

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    #154 Keith R..., Feb 19, 2019
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    Going by my Dwerrihouse & Carter verge, I have to fire up the Fairey verge in 39 minutes.
    Going by Sat time it's 40 minutes. So I promised yall photos on the front end. I still need
    to figure a better way, but for now, here is the Fairey verge, AD 1802. There was only one
    post in the archive, some guy related, looking the world over for one. Maybe he's a Saudi
    Prince and I send him an email, of course he'd have to come to the farm.:D

    Now I will show the case markings, they are the same back lid as case bottom. It's John
    Fairey's initials between two heads, It's a silver shop case I'm pretty sure. From the back
    of the watch to the top of the bulls eye crustal is 1 inch and the same diameter as the
    Dwerrihouse Verge. So I believe I finally have a silver shop case with no hallmarks.

    I'll post the pics and get ready to fire up this one and come back.

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    #155 Keith R..., Feb 19, 2019
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    I've got it timing with my 17 jewel MI Tobias carry watch and the test started at 1:55 PM EST.
    This old verge is looking like another accurate verge for the collection.

    Note, for these old key winds to start them up on time, takes some practice, but if you look
    at the times of both watches and at the time of the photo one hour and 30 minutes have
    elapsed, I'd say it's the old verge is looking pretty good.

    edit....Ray and our team, when I click on the photos once, it enlarges for me on my lap top.
    I have feedback from Ray and he indicates I need to go in my photo editor and crop the pics.
    Now I don't know about yall, but I'm no Tom M. with this tech stuff, I have to figure out which
    button says Crop.

    When I say once, I first click and open it, then click once for the enlargement.

    PS........Both watches showing 4:10 at this time. I will have to do a little research on the use
    of shop cases for a watch maker.


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    Hi Keith,

    Cropping is fine if the image is large enough to start with. You can do it in Paint, which is included in Windows as standard. Paint will also re-size, (icon under Crop). This last picture is only 1024 x 768 pixels so could usefully be bigger if the camera will support it.

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    Thanks Graham, I can go to 1600 . I'll try that next shot.

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    It picked up the loss, after about 20 hours of the test it's -4 minutes. It's
    running smooth in all positions (even carried it a bit). Clean with a good
    strong loud Tick. I'd say one adjustment, or do nothing, should be good.

    OOPS.............The Fairey verge is the watch in test, 1802 London.

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    #159 Keith R..., Feb 20, 2019
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    Now here's proof I need at least 2 cups of coffee in the morning. I slept late and was just downing
    my second cup of coffee and a buddy calls right at 11:10 A.M.. I tell him to hold on, I must wind a
    watch. So I wind the watch get it going, back on the phone. Half way through my second cup, I look
    down at the running hunter case I just wound from the 1850's and laughed at myself.

    I start these old watches at the time they shut down, so as not to put pressure on the hands with a
    key. This watch is key set from the back, I could have set the time anytime after the phone call,
    from the back.

    In another saga last night, I found a tall wooden pine box with a lid that I placed all my hunter
    cased watches in, with lids open. I had been storing them with the lids closed because of the displays,
    (I only own about 10 hunters). I had room left over to put the latest verge in, which by the way just
    got a minute back (so now -3 min in 22 hours).

    So now I have to look through the drawers, I think I can beat 1760, it ran the last time I found it, but
    it was like plus 10 minutes in 24 back then. Back wind hunter and latest 1802 verge...........looking for
    1730 London. 3rd pic old photo. Graham might remember the London watch, a long time ago!

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    #160 Keith R..., Feb 20, 2019
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    A bit odd that at one point in the 24 hour test run, I got down to -4 minutes. The test did
    finish at 1:55 P.M., but pics a few minutes later. So you guys can see I got some of my
    loss back, between 9'ish and 2'ish P.M..

    It bumped my last 1820 Ulph verge, to the newly created hunter case display, beside the
    main box.

    The Fairey verge circa 1802, finishes a 24 hour test @ -1 minute in 24 hours.

    edit........4th pic out of sequence, test at 1600 enlargement. Note, compare pics, Graham is
    correct, the higher resolution at 1600 is best for my camera. So from the 4th better pic, -1.25
    in 24 hours.

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    Love this 17J.

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    #162 Keith R..., Feb 21, 2019
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    I got to brag on Ray & Graham. Ray told me to me to increase my pixels and Graham said
    bigger, to what your camera allows. So I'm now at 1600 max in custom, seems to help.

    Funny story, although I'm a dues paying member, someone turned on Ads, so that while I'm
    logged in, I get swamped with Ads (one just popped up for a Casino). I was on yesterday
    and an Ad popped for one of my Companies (stock) that I forgot about. I had it on margin
    and should collect quite a bit $$..............so Ads can be a good thing, I'll have to pay more
    attention to the Ads. ;)


    There are two watches I completed test on previously and have confirmed their performance.
    The Molyneux is -3m in 24hr and the Ulph is -4m in 24. I do this so that I might make reg
    adjustments this coming weekend (one Bar style and one Bosley).

    I'd say these get bigger guys on the pics when you click on it now.

    Edit..........Ulph is a Bosley style reg.

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    Hi Keith, you finally got it with photos; size at least; crop the second photo and almost perfection. Regards Ray
     
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    Hi Keith,

    Straightened, cropped and the contrast hiked a little. Can't do anything with the crystal I'm afraid!

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    Regards,

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    Hi Graham, we are getting there with Keith's photos; never be a Lord Snowdon, but a marked improvement. Still waiting for my new SDHC card for the Lumix. Regards Ray
     
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    #166 Keith R..., Feb 22, 2019
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    I was trying to have my first cup of coffee after the shower, while on the phone I saw the
    hound out the window grab a critter, I thought it was a squirrel, but lucky for me, it was a
    rabbit, (not so lucky for the rabbit).

    Going into the weekend, I sit on a few that are beyond tempting. This is such a lovely
    addiction. Today's carry, the Barraud, in an 1879 AL Dennison case.

    Edit for Ray, thanks boss, I saved my US Navy ship photo "in action".

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    #167 Keith R..., Feb 22, 2019
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    I found this one in one of the old watch drawers. It always ran good, just a bit fast.
    Now it's a Bosley regulator and a verge from 1832. This is Merrill of Richmond
    England (now that has to be a cool place). I'll see if I can find my movement photo,
    I started it up at 7:08 PM, but corresponding time on the watch is 4:08. I'm just running
    it for 24hrs + for timing data. It will be fast, but how fast. I'll know tomorrow night at
    7:08 P.M.. I photographed it with the 53MM Barraud.

    Well, appears to have been adjusted way back. I do recall knocking it back now, but I
    think when I adjusted it the watch was a couple of minutes in 24hrs still to the plus side.
    I carried it for awhile.

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    #168 Keith R..., Feb 23, 2019
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    Good morning peoples!!!...................I need coffee in me. I just logged on to get
    the Montana phone number, so I can donate some John Grant money. But
    then I realized they are on central time, so got to wait an hour.....I'll drink some
    more coffee.

    See.........................I need more coffee, I'm grumpy till I get it!

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    Belay that order, they are on California time. -2 hours from the heartland.

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    #170 Keith R..., Feb 24, 2019
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    Well, the river down below the farm has covered the highway and I will be up
    on the farm, until the water recedes. Plenty of groceries, plenty to read, plenty of
    watches.

    There are several items I can watch through the day.

    I just wanted to show you guys one of my Going Barrel watches from the Rockford
    Watch Co. Now this one you can wind with the crown or a #5 key. I have sent it to
    Rob Carter for service, so it should come back running dead even as most do. My
    Grant verge will be coming home next week (so I'll have to make room) and my
    Colonial verge and the Dublin verge are in restoration also. This 15J Rockford has
    an odd ball after market dial, with an off set seconds bit at 3 oclock. I show it here
    because it was bumped by the Alex Purvis lever. So where does the main display
    stand? It's at 21 English and 8 American key winds. Display #2, is a mix of European
    and American and display #3 is all American.

    This Rockford is circa 1877. Added a 1/2 American (case 1860), English cylinder.

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    #171 Keith R..., Feb 24, 2019
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    I was trying to think of a type watch I don't own. It finally hit me.

    I don't own a demi-hunter watch. I own a demi-hunter dial, on an open face watch.
    I say this, so that I might purchase said, "antique demi-hunter watch" since I said, I
    was complete.

    Obviously, I'm almost complete. :D

    ***experiment with blue background.


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    I do this all the time...............I shouldn't do this all the time.

    Now I only do this for FedEx drivers who loudly honk the horn before they get out.
    So I come outside, I wait until the guy has cleared maybe 20 feet and he asks, do
    the dogs bite?

    My favorite response......................"Not this year". :D

    I'm on my second cup of coffee. PS............Congrats Allan on your purchase!

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    I admit, it's cheap, running and shipping $15. So a $100 working pair case verge 1833
    Birmingham case. The trouble of course, it has my favorite earlier Tompion scale. Now
    one can find a London-Anderton, but this one a Liverpool-Anderton.

    Hard to say, I did not come up with a year for him, but I'm betting 1800 and John from
    Bolton. Anytime I see a Tompion post 1810, my radar goes off.

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    After reading all your posts on this page I think I need cup of coffee
    Nice watches.


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    Thanks Rob! Most of the watches in this thread will be "one offs". A jeweler or watch maker with low
    production and few surviving examples. Others are re-cases like my Barraud. Another example is
    Augsuta Saltzman.

    Now you will notice I have threads for Grant, Van Wyck, Perry, Samuels, Josh Johnson, Yates, Gerrish
    and a few others.


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    It's now time to roll my sleeves up and get back to serious watches. I have two
    under review and waiting for the right moment. My search should bring home
    a watch that does not belong in this thread.

    It should be an interesting week. I'll have to put he blue background to work.

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    #177 Keith R..., Feb 26, 2019
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    Test for blue background. The dial printing is light. I vote #1 & #3, blue/blue.

    PS........................ Richmond Hill Farm just got permit approval!!

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    Hi Keith,

    What are you now permitted to do that you couldn't do before?

    Regards,

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    Graham - you ask the question others fear to ask .... ;)

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    #180 Keith R..., Feb 26, 2019
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    Hemp for the medical field Graham.:)

    And John M....;)

    Not enough for one of those 1600's watches though.

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    I got an email reminding me my Grant is on the way home and I just picked
    up the Anderton verge, so two verges en-route. I'm getting plenty of verge
    relief.

    I probably just need to fire up a verge and enjoy hearing it "tick".

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    Hi Keith,

    Thanks, I did wonder . . .

    We had a field of that opposite us a few years ago, and they had a lot of trouble harvesting it because the stems are very tough and they kept getting wrapped around the header on the combine harvester and jamming it.

    Regards,

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    #183 Keith R..., Feb 27, 2019
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    Last night I was having trouble going to sleep. So I finally laid down and thought,
    what type of watch gives me the most pleasure, assuming freshly serviced and all
    in good order, keeping time in all positions.

    I ruled out the duplex (only because I don't have mine going yet), I ruled out any
    watch post 1881 and began the process. I thought of my recent 1802 Fairey verge
    and I was off and contemplating, with my eyes closed.

    I made it to the Ulph Verge of 1820 and it's the last I remember. I'll have to try that
    again tonight.;)

    PS...While I have an open thread, there are several I have or am looking at, that
    lack any hallmark stamps. The Fairey verge I just bought lacks hallmarks. How
    did some of these gorgeous great fitting cases ever get out of the UK, without
    stamps? ...................................I'll try this question to get to sleep on tonight!

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    #184 Keith R..., Feb 27, 2019
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    Yall missed the show. I took the dogs on tour to the pond. I had a buddy throw
    some ingredients in, to kill the Algae and a have a nice clear pond. It cleared it up,
    slight aqua like the gulf coast, but transparent. The coon dog went nuts, she could
    see the fish. Now the pond at the center is about 12 feet, but around the edge, about
    4 feet.

    When summer hits, I'll take the camera and see if we have us an underwater fish
    hunting coon dog.

    **When she was in today, her tracks did not cloud the water.

    PS...I could hear the Barraud in my pocket. So I might as well say in this order,
    for best sounding tick............Verge, Rack, Cylinder, Duplex then fusee lever, all others.

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    Good morning team.......................big day today. I'm all set, Ray and I got to joke about
    a few things.

    Ray if I can remember, I'll send the fake Liverpool/American watch to Graham and John.

    This is a GW Ladd gold filled 18 size cased watch, we may begin to see English full plates
    show up from the 1870's to the 1890's, in these cases. I'll keep an eye out.

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    Interesting Kieth; I bought a nearly complete 'John Anderton' 'Huddersfield' verge works (for $5). It's missing it's chain, balance and staff, and the balance cock, and the fusee chain from an 'R. Cunningham' 'Liverpool' works (slightly less complete), that I bought at the same time also for $5, fits it, so that's a future learning experience :)
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    I like Duncan's post.............Ray and I have discussed the great world of
    English watch and movement collecting. We have also discussed the other
    world of machine made watches, where all the major components are
    numbered. Switch a cock, kill the value.

    I'm with Duncan, give me my Fusee (my Savage 2, 1822)!!

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    Ray, that Verge I was looking at..................It's coming home to Roost.

    I'll give it a starring thread if it runs.

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    #189 Keith R..., Mar 1, 2019
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    Now I bought the 1818 Verge in post #188 because I have a pair case Champion by the
    same case maker in 1811 (GT). I like the movement on this Tompion transition.

    1811 signed Champion and 1818 signed Wm Blew. We know Champion is a made up
    name, I'm betting Blew is also. Maybe besides same case maker, also same retailer.

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    #190 Keith R..., Mar 1, 2019
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    Both verges from post #189 have split gold hour and minute hands. Both have same dial markers
    at 12, 3, 6 & 9. The Champion is Liverpool and the Blew is London and both have Birmingham
    cases.

    I think I have a retailer that is one in the same, bringing these verges to US shores.

    The Champion came from a mid west collection, while the Blew out of a California estate.
    Both are 2 inches in diameter, both with bulls eye crystals. I'd have to get Yall's opinion.
    but case styles looking at the pendents are (almost) the same, dials are same.

    This is my first Transition Tompion reg. I like Tfitz transition verge and have wanted one
    since his.

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    Re-reading my previous post I realised that it sounded like I was swapping over both the balance cock and the chain. What I meant was, that the Cunningham had a chain and it fits the Anderton. Both watch works are missing the balance cocks. That is one of the things I'll have to make if I ever do this :)
    Cheers
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    Hi Keith,

    'GT' incuse is for George Thickbroom listed in Coventry, 17th February 1813. This is interesting because this is a very unusual name and there was a Thickbroom case making family in London, George the father and his two sons Alford and James. George is recorded as working in London from 1819, so this would suggest that he started his business in Coventry before moving to London. The firm went through several changes and was at one stage acquired by Fred Thoms, probably the finest London case maker in the later years of the 19th century.

    Regards,

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    Thanks Graham, it's always interesting to find tid bits on these
    case makers.

    I would love to be a fly on the wall when they were coming up with
    these American sounding names, for the movements destined for
    the US.

    It reminds me of a Quentin Tarentino movie where all the characters
    have these fake names, Mr. Blue, Mr. Black. I would guess Richmond
    sounds a bit to English.

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    This message is for a buddy who has the right case for his Percival movement.

    I've been waiting and looking for the 18K version of this case, close to eighteen
    years. If it's out there and the key wind holes line up, it's already got a Howard
    balance over center wheel in it.

    So over the years, I've become happy with this second generation case that for
    the odd ball E Howard key winds, no other case is wide or thick enough, to work.

    This old movement is known as a Balance over center wheel, which requires a
    thicker case for this N size 1864 movement. Now the original cases were 18K for
    most jewelers and collectors. The current 18 size case is gold filled and the one
    key wind hole was plugged back in the 1880's and two new ones drilled for this
    E Howard #5477.

    **Yes, a Going Barrel watch, but it winds counter clockwise, like a good watch
    should.

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    #195 Keith R..., Mar 2, 2019
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    My blue background tests are about done on gold or gold filled. I think a red
    background for silver might work, but I need something easier on the eyes.

    Suggestions are welcome............**Note, I think my cameras OK for watch
    photos.

    John M. has some great pics, I'll review his background color for silver. I'll
    try black first. I just noticed I need to adjust the hour hand on the Elgin.

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    That case on your Howard looks like it has a seriously thick crystal!
     
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    Yes it is Duncan. I've always enjoyed the thicker crystals for key winds. I can't recall
    seeing them very often. Here's one on a 15J Miller railroad key wind, marked Adjusted.


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    Keith - I think a plain background in a very light neutral colour works best - very light cream or very light grey. Deeper coloured backgrounds can result in coloured reflections.

    John
     
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    Thanks John, I'll see what I can find in light grey.

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    #200 Keith R..., Mar 3, 2019
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    Could not find grey, found a light color though.........light green.

    For Duncan, thick crystal pic 1, thick domed NOS pic 2. Domed
    same as our old bulls eyes on verges.

    John is correct, lighter is better.

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