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    Make that 6 European hunter cased watches, I forgot about the Robinson from 1859 and the recently
    acquired 16 size 1860 American coin hunter (about 3 ounces of silver) for the John Dwerrihouse 1790.
    So one solid gold circa circa 1834 and four Sterling silver and one coin silver hunter case circa 1860.

    And make that one coin New York 15J key wind, one coin PS Bartlett 11J key wind 1866 and one coin
    PS Bartlett 11J key wind 1863, hunter cased watches.

    I only break these down because there is a vote taking place on the American side and I had to force
    myself to go do a collection count. If you can sense I don't prefer hunter cased watches, you are quite
    right!!!! But sometimes they are scarce enough, one has to just suck it up and buy one if it's original.

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    From page one, post #100, Molyneux 15J KWKS finished @ -1 minute/24 hrs. ;)

    But hey, before you Swiss hounds jump up and down, this 1852 English fusee lever,
    9 jewel, does equal.:D

    Movement #6958 = case#.

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    #103 Keith R..., Feb 2, 2019
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    Must be watch week, the 1820 Ulph verge arrived and the time I opened was 12:05 and
    it had 12:10 on the time. I violated my rule and wound her up (after fighting with the slide
    latch on the inner case) which makes me question the outer case. But, she's ticking away
    in all positions. So it's in it's timed test with this Marion 15J Going barrel.

    When I settle down, I'll pull some of these watches out from the Odd lot thread and do stand
    alone threads by maker.

    Also, my coon hound just barked when I asked her just old is Ray? According to
    Reese, he's woof/woof/woof (that's lot's of woofs Ray).

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    Hi all, I will be instantly old on the 7th of February; 78. My Mate is buying me Dinner-Lunch. I hope there are a few more years left in me? Regards Ray
     
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    #105 Keith R..., Feb 2, 2019
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    In post #103, the Ulph verge is timing good enough to tell me it will be well within the two
    minute timing rule for the main display case. Now this means a watch gets bumped. Out
    of 29 watches in the main display, it works out to 8 American and 21 English watches.
    The American's are locked in, so an English watch gets bumped from the main display
    to the second display. It's a great running 9 jewel by maker Sam Kellet, 16 size, sterling
    silver and hallmarked for 1836 (I'll double check that).

    The second display currently has about 10 Europeans already in it. The next on the main
    display bump list is the Johnson Liverpool runner. I decided the Champion verge being 1811,
    is the only verge I have in that decade and so it wins over the Johnson lever (since there are
    two other early Johnson's in the main).

    It has my cream dial on it and is perfect time keeper already serviced.

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    #106 Keith R..., Feb 3, 2019
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    Well the Ulph verge did ok not OK, but I'll take - 3 minutes on the 1820 Verge. I can always
    adjust the reg arm, but for that, I'll wait. When you have 3 other verges that are within 2 min
    in 24 bet on them.

    Now the Kellet lever is to my left as I type, gained maybe 20 seconds! This is the watch I thought
    was linked to Haughton (Johnson family tree), signed on the cuvette lid. But it's actually John Shaw
    of Haughton Creek. I figured Ray would know where this was, after all it's just little Australia.;)

    Edit, now watch says Bredbury, but I bought it ebay and it shipped from Australia.
    Just checked the Sat time, both say 11:40 EST.


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    #107 Keith R..., Feb 4, 2019
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    I have picked up another Vale & Rotherham case & watch and believe both are tied
    to the early 1830's. I will post photos once the seller wakes up to read my ask. It runs,
    I just don't know how well. The two of late (John Dwerrihouse & Molyneux) are spot
    on, neither losing or gaining in 24 hours (someone serviced them)

    There's one other I have my eye on, which I'm truly like Ray and running out of room.

    Also, the timed test on the Van Wyck begins at 3:45 PM EST.

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    #108 Keith R..., Feb 4, 2019
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    Now I'll be honest, I attempted this odd ball dial on a Robert Roscoe, but
    this dial one can see a bit better and I like the gold hands. John looked up
    Castilioni but he has a street name and is not a watch maker. This lever
    is 11J with a 3 arm balance and the adjustment screws might be for show.

    The case and movement are a Vale & Rotherham product I would guess at
    about 1831. I say guess because there's no hallmark in the case and based
    on the plain wide cock, 3 arm balance, the adjustment screws I take back
    to my Lewis Samuel of 1832.

    I may do a stand alone thread for this one if I can get more info on
    Castilioni.

    This should be my next to the last collection purchase and it's supposed
    to be a good runner. The Vale & Rotherham firm leveled off in 1841. So
    I put this watch to 1831 based on the observations I've noted.

    edit......Well, the hands used to be all gold at one time!!

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    Hi Keith,

    Looking at the shape of the punch marks, which vary according to Bradbury - some with a square lower edge, some not - and what I take to be a very rubbed date letter in second photograph, I think it might just be into the Victorian period (1837 - ), right at the end of Vale and Rotherham's active period. The first punch mark that Bradbury shows of that shape is 1835/36

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    Thanks John, 1837 it is then!!

    edit....oops

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    Hi Keith - if my observation is correct, which I believe it to be, the possible years with the square punch are 1835/36, 36/37, 39/40. 40/41, 41/42, 45/46, 47/48 & 48/49. The V·R mark was last registered in 1830. Rotherham & Sons - the succeeding company - registered their first mark in Birmingham in April 1841, with no earlier registration at Chester or London. So I would conclude your case was assayed between the second half of 1835 and the very beginning of 1841.

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    Thanks John! Splitting the difference would be 1838.

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    #113 Keith R..., Feb 5, 2019
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    I had a pretty good day, nice out and warm. I read out on the deck of all those watches
    that allude me. Today I enjoyed the company of the running Dwerrihouse & Carter verge.
    The trick to one that runs great in all positions is late last evening I started it up 20 minutes
    early, which allowed all night to get within 5 minutes of "true time" and I put it on a chain and
    got to carry it all day. At the point it crossed true time, I traded it for the Ulph verge, which is
    3 minutes slow in 24hrs, so I started it 3 minutes early and moved the chain over. I'll have
    until tomorrow night, at which point I will transition back to my American or English levers.

    Now the Dwerrihouse & Carter has had a service but it was not adjusted to it's potential.
    The Ulph was serviced and adjusted but still - 3 minutes in 24 hours. Now there will come
    a time I'll reach in and grab my Dubree, Davis or Champion verge all within 2 min in 24.

    About all my fusee and Going Barrel levers have been serviced and are spot on in 24.
    *Note, I look forward to the Grant verge as it has a sweep seconds, or the Johnson of
    Dublin verge in the gorgeous pair case. The Perry and Van Wyck will be display only
    watches. Those that can come out of a display and I carry for a day, is like great cake
    after the main course.

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    When I first began collecting I stumbled out of the gate. I took some time off and
    studied for a quite a spell. When I came back, I was a bit more prepared. Here's
    what my collection, "Morphed" into.

    My old stake in the ground went back to William Barr of Dublin, 1803. When I found
    Thomas Perry of New York, it re-set the stake to 1763 and I added Stephen Van Wyck
    to tie in the Federal period. Approaching it from this angle, I had already had restored
    IF Pitkin of Buffalo New York (thanks Graham) and then Oliver Gerrish of Portland ME
    (thanks Denis). So these two became post Federal period American jewelers, importing
    English movements.

    So I recognized the body of my English watches fell into two categories. My Liverpool
    collection, those English watches from 1812 to 1861 comprised the "pay load" of watches
    made for the American market. My London collection comprises all makers outside
    Liverpool, whether Cylinders, Duplex, Rack levers, Levers, or a pocket Chronometer.

    This left a small contingent of Swiss lever Going Barrels for the American market, from
    1850 to 1880.

    The American collection fell in three areas of Going Barrel watches, Pre-civil war era and
    Civil war era, 1859 to 1864. The remainder of the American collection of Going Barrel
    watches I consider, Pre-railroad watches from 1865 to 1890. I decided to state this, since
    you guys see me put up all kinds of European watches from different eras. Now I speak
    to the American watches here, because this side of the board I consider home base.

    I'm getting close and I'd like to thank all of you, for the opportunities afforded me.

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    Well, if I had the Uplh verge a thread, I'd post on it, so it's in this thread. Darn thing improved to
    -2 minutes in 24 hours. I disregard the first test, now this one is settled in on the farm.

    The first test started the day I received it from the UK.:eek: I knew better.

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    The Ulph verge is equal in timing to my Lawrance Rack lever of 1816, restored by Carignan
    Watch Co. This gives this collection Champion, Dupree, Davis & Ulph verges the following distinctions:

    1811, 1820 (front wind), 1834 & 1820, the first three at +2 min in 24hrs and Ulph at -2 min in 24.
    The Ulph verge was provided by Westhill watches of the UK, with a 1 year guarantee after service.

    My best timing watch in all positions is the John Dwerrihouse cylinder, then also at 00 is my
    Going Barrel E Howard, serviced by Rob Carter, my English Davenport 11J restored Graham
    Morse
    and my 17J Oliver Gerrish restored by Carignan Watch Co. Honerable mention belongs
    to John Pavlik (Champion verge) and Pat H. Jones Horan rep. for the Dubree verge both at +2
    min in 24 hrs. I keep forgetting the Radges Pocket chronometer 1881, also at 00 in 24 hours.

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    #117 Keith R..., Feb 7, 2019
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    Well, seller called it a lever and 1860-1869. I called it a verge with a nice
    diamond end stone. It is out of London and on the dust cap, AD 1802. It's
    a runner out of my buddy Ray's home territory of Australia.

    The only listing in the archives is of a relative desiring a verge by this maker.
    Seems he's a great,great,great etc...........however many needed.

    Signed on the movement Jn Fairey, London.

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    #118 Keith R..., Feb 8, 2019
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    I thought, while I was spending the evening adjusting Tompion disks, this B. Roberts
    I bought serviced, arrived running 20 minutes fast. I took this one counter clockwise
    two clicks. I say clicks, because the square turned but disk remained stationary, which
    sounds a bit Swiss. Yes it winds counter clockwise. B. Roberts HM 1807.

    But hey, when I know you know. One more to do tomorrow evening, William Barr
    of Dublin HM 1803. I owe a dial pic. I have about 6 more verges not mentioned
    that run and they are all Bosley regs. But they are +5 minute verges, so I don't run
    them much, probably wouldn't hurt to adjust them too.

    **Note, on the Roberts I adjusted one hour ago and it has not gained. Roberts is 53MM
    Pair case calendar verge, but hope to change dial some day and get rid of calendar hand.
    I have a calendar verge on Thomas Perry and Morris Tobias.


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    #119 Keith R..., Feb 8, 2019
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    I think my key was rounded and nothing turned. That is an odd ball place to try and get a key
    down on the tompion, (next time I try this will be daylight after another shut down for the
    Roberts). Might just pull the movement out to get to it better (my fat fingers get in the way
    of the back).

    This is why you need good light, disk did move, the 2 was even with the plate screw, but it's
    not quite on the mark I want.

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    #120 Keith R..., Feb 8, 2019
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    So far I have corrected the "plus side" of the B Rogers. I just adjusted the Tompion
    two rounds counter clockwise for the Rogers and the same for the Barr. So for
    now I'm -1 minute on the Rogers and at the end of the day it could turn out -2 or -1
    minute, but I'd be happy. I'm 5.5 hours into the Rogers run. Both Tompion run in the
    same amount but estimated for scale differences for Rogers & Barr, (1803 & 1807).

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    Hi Keith,

    Then something's amiss, because these discs do turn. I notice that the cross pin is partly out of position and may not be connecting the square to the disc properly.

    Regards,

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    Graham, I sent you a PM, my edits are in a time lapse, when it gets caught up, read my later edits in
    post #119 & 120.

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    #123 Keith R..., Feb 8, 2019
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    Current status:

    Base line watch Marion 15J 8:05
    B. Roberts 8:04 -1
    Wm Barr 8:08 +3
    Van Wyck 8:19 +14

    I'm timing 3 verges against base line Marion 15J. This is my 4th reading. Taken every 30 minutes. Example
    B Roberts on this reading is -1 minute to base line Marion.
    Barr is +3 minutes "
    Van +14 minutes. "

    I'll do this through much of the day. If average stays same, I'll adjust after another shut
    down if needed. Example, anything over/under 3 minutes on average is good, no adjustment
    needed. So the one definite is Van Wyck.

    Note, tired, been up all night (meds).

    Keith R...

    *What I like about this is until the latest -2 minute/24 Ulph verge, the other 3 were +2 min in 24hrs.
    Now as I test these Tompion disk watches I may be capable of having 7 verges avg 2 min in 24 hours.

    Better say 6, the Van Wyck will not get better then 5 to 7 min in 24hrs.

    Champion, Dubree, Davis, Ulph, Roberts, Barr (6)

    Verges pending to test (Tompion) Fairey (UK), Perry (New York), Grant (London), Van Wyck
    (New York)

    Verges to test (Bosley) Johnson (Dublin), Merrill (UK), Chas Stone (UK)

    Verges tested, no adjustments needed. Champion, Dubree, Davis, Ulph.

    Verges with watch maker: Perry, Johnson, Grant

    Inventory: Got to hunt verges (pending).........what ever winds up here that's a good
    idea, Ray talked me into it.;)
     
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    Thanks Keith, all is clear now.
     
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    #125 Keith R..., Feb 8, 2019
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    Thanks Graham!

    Watches to base line Marion, cont.(include post #123 develop work sheet):

    Merrill is ...........................................10:00 with Marion (develop work sheet)
    Charles Stone ..................................10:55 with Marion " "
    Dwerrihouse & Carter .....................10:25 with Marion " "

    **Had to get them keys to each specific watch**

    There are 3 more unnamed, but can start this afternoon (or evening). I'll take one page and list all
    working verges (Tompion & Bosley that can start testing today). List next pages, pending.

    Keith R...

    EDIT** List of watches to test 2/08 begin 10:57 A.M. EST.

    Charles Stone .............................start time 10:57 A.M.
    B Farrer 18:15 pm
    Van Wyck Started
    Barr Started
    Merrill 10:32 A.M.
    Dwerrihouse & Carter 10:28 A.M.
    B Roberts Started

    Developed watch sheet, record on the hour, start at 10:57 A.M. (all).
     
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    #126 Keith R..., Feb 8, 2019
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    Well, they're all but one doing good. I tried carrying the Chas Stone and it raced forward 2 hours.
    Prior to that, flat on it's back +5 min to the Marion. All others the aggregate is + 12 minutes so far.
    I finally got the Van Wyck going, no dust cap, inner case only on it's back but the Tompion setting
    has it timing exactly with the Marion.

    Keith R...

    PS, had a watch come in. I'll fire it up about 7:30 PM EST. Signed Castilioni, but made by Vale
    & Rotherham and thanks to John M. a date on both items about 1838. No case hallmark. It's
    an 11J lever near Birmingham and not much info on Castilioni off the movement. It's about 52MM
    and 20 MM depth. Has three arm solid balance wheel with screws for looks. About 120 grams
    in weight and nice crystal.

    I'm a bit tired from lack of sleep, I should have more energy later on.

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    #127 Keith R..., Feb 8, 2019
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    I wound the V&R key wind at 7:30 PM and the watch is running and timing in all positions.
    This one will make a good watch for good occasions.

    I learned quite a bit for setting the Tompion regulators today on the Van Wyck and Barr
    verges. The B Roberts calendar watch is back in it's display location and requires no more
    setting change of it's Tompion regulator. The Barr and Farrer verges will require one
    more setting of the Tompion to slow it by 15 minutes each watch. The Chas Stone
    requires service, while the Merrill also requires a slight Tompion adjustment to slow it
    about 8 minutes. The Dwerrihouse & Carter requires no further settings. It appears
    my Bosley regulated verges have already waived any further testing by their performance
    and time keeping to date. The Grant watch is with the Last Wind up for restoration and the
    Perry and Johnson verges are with Carignan watch for their restorations.

    Thanks for anyone who tagged along with this important function.

    *Note, having the Roberts verge at last observation remain at -2 minutes to the Marion
    15J, gives the collection 5 timing verges with regulation set. The other verges are within
    a 5 minute window, so cycling the Tompion for any further adjustments is unnecessary.
    Fortunately my 1796,1803,1806, 1807, 1823 and 1832 high lighted verges had the Tompion
    regulation turned counter clockwise two divisions to correct 30 minute timing discrepancies.
    The 1803, 1823 and 1832 verges require one more division cycle counter clockwise.

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    There's a neat little argument on the American side regarding Hamilton watches as best bar none.
    I gave a difference of opinion.

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    In all of the United Kingdom, I have but one more to capture. I'm excited because
    it's for the Domestic market. In other words, some English retailer was not dreaming
    up some goofy sounding name like, "Champion" for the American market.

    Mind you, I'm not complaining, my Mr. Champion keeps perfect time, with his ruby
    red end stone.

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    #130 Keith R..., Feb 9, 2019
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    Here's one after I adjusted the Tompion 2 clicks to slow it, finished at -2 minutes.
    So it becomes my 5th Accurate verge. Movement pic prior to adjustment. Circa
    1807/08. Note, it bumped my Bunn key wind in the main display.

    I may can add the 1806 Dwerrihouse & Carter verge Monday if I can improve on
    slowing it a bit.

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    Ray gave me a photo enhancement of a Verge I await from Australia. It runs the full length
    of the chain.

    Signed Jn Fairey, AD 1802, London.

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    Hi Keith

    1808 PO Directory

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    1822/23 Pigots directory

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    Thanks much John, he spent his early years it seems at 22 Radcliff. I did not show the inside of
    the case, but it has the bold capital initials JF stamped and are shown in post #117 of this thread.

    This will be my earliest Consular cased watch.

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    Keith - I looked at the maker's mark previously - need a clear photograph of all the marks.

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    #135 Keith R..., Feb 11, 2019
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    Agreed John, the photos look like they were taken from the Intl Space Station.

    The case could have been a replacement case from a later date by John Fairey,
    we do need clear hallmarks.

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    Hi Keith,

    Those don't look like English hallmarks at all.

    Regards,

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    I just want it to be silver and hopefully period correct within 30 years. I have a date
    on the movement, dust cap and thanks to the records John Found, in history. To be
    frank, those marks in the case, have a look of unknown origins.

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    #138 Keith R..., Feb 13, 2019
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    I've been trying to project what my needs are going forward. They should be restoring the
    duplex I picked up from Bryan, the Grant verge, the Perry verge from 1763 and the Johnson
    Dublin verge from 1819. I feel all these are on track.

    So going forward I want or should focus on watch makers of prominence, Liverpool and
    London. I'm a bit behind acquiring London levers and verges. I know I've indicated my
    collection is complete, but I find myself always searching for the next big find. Once bitten,
    it's hard to shake.

    Tonight I shall tackle the Tompion regulator one last time on the Dwerrihouse & Carter. I fired
    up the George Brinkman 11 jewel to give it some run time and evaluate how it performs as a
    carry watch and go from there. I believe the case is 1833 but I'm unsure about that balance
    wheel.

    I do have a find or two I'm studying tonight, while on the board I"m diving in the archives.

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    Hi Keith,

    There's nothing out of place on that Brinkman for 1833/4. Screwed Pennington type balances like that had been fitted for some time by the 1830s, as had screwed plates.

    Regards,

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    #140 Omexa, Feb 14, 2019
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    Hi all, well seeing as there are no more "Kew A" Ratings, maybe there could be a "Kentucky A" Rating at Richmond Hill? See Keith the mind is working overtime again; back to the Chamberlain Case. Regards Ray
     
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    Well this one falls for me in the "A" rating Ray!!

    I decided after all the verge test runs, just to enjoy one for the day. So today I'm carrying none
    other than the Ulph 1820 verge, which keeps excellent time for a 7 jewel. It generally speaking,
    will finish after 30 hours, down about two minutes. But hey, it's getting carried through out the
    day.

    Now I have levers it takes a week to react, either way. It matches my other favorite, the Lawrance
    7 jewel rack lever. I must be partial to pair cased watches.

    I've been noticing for some time my jewel counts for the Liverpool watches are much higher then
    London examples. I'd say marketing is the culprit. Some of my best timing levers are 9 to 11 jewels.
    Most of my Liverpool watches are 17 jewel. The retailers are to blame.

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    #142 Keith R..., Feb 16, 2019
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    This will be interesting, I hope to be finishing up on 3 verges and 1 lever adjusting the Tompions
    and 1 Bosley lever by Sunday night. All my Bosley verges are spot on. Got to try this cylinder
    though, not familiar with this reg. I guess I'll fire it up and see what it needs. Don't let it fool
    you, I think it's 1802 (inner case HM 1834).

    And the Barwise has been fired up and running. Reg arm 2 clicks shy of mid point as can
    bee seen in photo.

    I could have no visitors tomorrow..........it's snowing!!

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    OK, I started the Barwise exactly one hour 11:50 vs 12:50 for the Aurora 15J. So it will be
    one hour behind the Aurora from the start...........not easy to set time with a simple key.
    Middle pic is #1, 3rd pic #2, 1st pic #3 in time lapse. Barwise already been running for
    55 min.

    Barwise start 11:50, Aurora start true time 12:50.

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    The Barwise (sheer luck where reg arm is set) is even (-1 hour) with the Aurora after 2 hours of run time.
    The reg arm was moved about 4 months ago to where it is now and left there. Where it is shown in the
    photos is it's setting and it is maintaining time with the serviced Aurora 15 jewel Going Barrel watch after
    2 hours of run time. This cylinder can run 30+ hours in all positions.

    I have two watches ready to start a final time at around 7 A.M. EST. The Dwerrihouse & Carter and the
    Van Wyck. This should finish these two out and confirm their time keeping within 24 hours (+/-).

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    Plus one minute, I think this cylinder will be easy.

    John, my email, those case initials should be GJH.

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    #146 Keith R..., Feb 16, 2019
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    I'll mark it at 6 hours and it will be +3 x 4= +12 minutes /24. So I think one click past the
    mid point toward slow I can kill 12 minutes. Also, after I got out of the shower, I pulled
    a "Ray", I went on a rummage through the drawers and found an outer case from the
    1830's (I tried it on the duplex but duplex was to thick). Seems to fit the Barwise good
    enough, outer case shuts and it centers up OK (I can line the throat with felt to center
    it up good). This should protect the inner case and key wind hole.

    What is a bit ironic, is the inner case is hallmarked for 1834. The just found outer case
    I'll have to check, I think it was 1834/5.

    I have the other two test in about 15 and 35 minutes. It's been a good night shift guys.
    Test time for the Van Wyck.

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    #147 Keith R..., Feb 16, 2019
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    What a morning.............Got the Dwerrihouse and Carter off at 7:03 A.M. and got the
    Van Wyck off at 6:51 A.M. This time I was better prepared. I took the Van Wyck back
    to the 1800 outer case, I had locked down the cock 3 days earlier, I closed the bezel,
    I wound it up gave her a spin and she took off. I set her to the left. I gave D&C a spin
    at 7:03 and he took off.

    I'm hoping this thread allows folks some insight into our European watch world. Here's
    pic of the Van Wyck in the 1800 outer case. Don't ask me how I assigned gender, yall
    know me, I'd tell ya.

    Edit, two verges both even with the Aurora after 50 min for the Van Wyck, 40 some odd
    min for the D&C. This has been a good learning curve on the Tompion's.

    Edit 2 is for the Barwise, as I will be some time late in the night before it shuts down, so
    I can adjust the reg arm as previously stated, then catch it at the right time and wind it
    up, to finish the cylinder. Log and publish the results for the Van Wyck, D&C and J. B.

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    I have a couple of early pics. The Dwerrihouse & Carter are even all morning with the Aurora
    and the Van Wyck lagging back 1.3 min to the Aurora. All in all, my Tompion adjustments were
    on the money!

    One can look back in the thread to see they have been running together since around 7 A.M.,
    keeping time together pretty much. I'm well pleased. Now I have to catch the Barwise and adjust
    one more time. I've already adjusted the Brinkman, so I'll get that one at 2 PM. today.

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    #149 Keith R..., Feb 16, 2019
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    Those 2 above are doing fine. The cylinder stopped and started itself back, when I
    walked toward the front window (had it running down, in a display). But if I catch it
    doing that again, I'll stick a piece of paper in the balance wheel, adjust the reg arm
    and pull the paper out when it's stop time = satellite time, wind her back up and start
    the last test, and baby sit her for 2 hours. The last adjustment is just 2 clicks toward
    slow, so it should run on down.

    So need to slow it 12 minutes in 24hrs.

    Bosley reg adjustment on this 11J Brinkman lever. Adjusted it last night during down
    time and had to go about 4 clicks past mid point (but so far it's working). However it
    usually takes two hours to figure out you are, over or under in the correction. This
    one is hallmarked for 1833 and has two platinum timing screws. BTW, the minute
    hand used to match the color of the hour hand.


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    I'm going to try and see about to housing an English movement in an 18 size glass back, I
    have 3 hinged spares. Such that I can carry it.

    So dust cap off of course.

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