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  1. Keith R...

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    #51 Keith R..., Jan 15, 2019
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    Thanks John & Graham, this is helping us put it all together before it arrives.
    The best I may can come up with, is an 1830's outer case, (if it fits). I will call
    it a signature of 1840/50 until such time that we can pinpoint this 14J duplex.

    I'm not sure the dust cap was made Expressly for a jeweler named Mariet &
    Robert (yet). These leads certainly have taken us toward answering the riddle
    for the maker.

    So for now, a 14J Duplex in a Vale & Rotherman inner case, circa 1840 with a
    signature for Simons, possibly also 1840. Case, Chester assay 1840.

    Ray brought this to my attention. Seller indicated the duplex had a 3 wheel
    configuration. I'll have to study up on what this means.

    Thanks to you both!!

    **I Found an E Robert Mariet Pont Suisse 1830's, from the "property room", showing
    an 1830's style jeweled key-less chronometer in a 18k case. Still digging.

    Ray brought up the sellers note about a 3 wheel configuration on this duplex.
    I'll have to figure out what this means.

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    Rotherham? also sometimes Rotherhams.
     
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    Thanks Tom, obviously my spelling needs some work! Vale & Rotherham.

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    I await this latest timing and running 14J duplex by G&M Simons of London. It
    has a dust cap, "Made Expressly for" Mariet & Robert of New York. So when it
    arrives, I will arrange for it to get hands, (minute hand short and missing seconds
    hand). I will post pics soon. Note it's in an 1840 inner case only, I might have a
    52MM outer pair case Vale & Rotherham from the period for it, (fingers crossed).

    So my English collection has met the minimum standard, verges, cylinders, duplex,
    Massey levers and levers. I meet it for fusee's, not going barrels. My Swiss and
    American collection are all going barrels.

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    What have you got against pocket chronometers? :)
     
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    Oops, forgot Tom! Add pocket chronometers, (mine J. Radges). Thanks Tom, I hope
    I never make your "Ignore" button!:)

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    #57 Keith R..., Jan 18, 2019
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    I asked the seller of the Duplex permission to post photos. Bryan Eyring was kind enough to
    approve, so here are the photos until it arrives.

    **Now that I think about it, it probably wouldn't hurt for one more duplex as a back up
    and one more good cylinder in an original case.

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    One of the things I need to contemplate on the Simons duplex, is their end date as a
    business. I say this because the dial has a recessed seconds bit and we are talking an
    1840's movement. The dial is clearly post 1850 in my mind (replacement with the
    business name I assume).

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    Keith - the partnership with Moses commenced in or before 1852

    1852 London PO Directory ...

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    and we know that partnership continued until at least 1856. What is the evidence of the 1840's for the movement? Your watch is signed 'G&M Simons' - not sure of the number, but it all fits. Am I missing something?

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    Hi Keith,

    I don't think it needs to be a replacement dial to account for all the features, the movement could be as late as the mid-1850s and these dials were being fitted then, so it all slots together; we know the case is a replacement so that should be left out of the reckoning.

    PS, still wondering about 3-wheel trains?

    Regards,

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    #61 Keith R..., Jan 18, 2019
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    Graham & John, got it. How about 1854.

    Guys, I'll have to ask the seller what he means in his listing about a "three wheel configuration"
    and also a "curious escapement". I'm well aware of three wheel trains. I'm just not familiar with
    three wheel configurations and duplexes. I bought it because I know it to be a duplex.

    If yall have a clue on three wheel, I'm listening. Thanks team!

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    PS..........John's last shot of G & M Simons, I closed my right cataract to read it.;)
     
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    Hi Keith,

    No difference between levers and duplexes as far as the number of train wheels goes; if there's no fourth wheel between the third and the escape, it's a three-wheel train. If a three-wheel train has a 30 tooth escape and is also fitted with a seconds hand, (like quite a few rack levers for instance), then it rotates in 15 seconds, as you've seen with one of your racks.

    Regards,

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    #63 Keith R..., Jan 18, 2019
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    Thanks Graham, I figured like racks the 3 wheel would give me a 30 tooth, but
    I never paid them attention to notice if they got a 15 seconds dial like a Rack.

    Sounds like they do, but this one has a regular seconds bit dial. None of my
    Rack 30 tooth's, have the 15 seconds dial (Oliver has the last one I recall).
    My Johnson 1818 is 15 tooth with a normal seconds bit, all others have no seconds
    bit. OOPS............Found one with seconds bit.

    Thanks, I'm now 3 wheel train educated on duplexes, just same as racks.
    1816 Rack 30 tooth, 1820 Rack- 15 tooth. Got it.

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    Hi Keith,

    Didn't you have the dial changed to one without seconds on that 30 tooth watch when it was restored?

    Regards,

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    #65 Keith R..., Jan 18, 2019
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    Yes, 1816 Rack has 30 tooth (L Lawrance) and dial with no seconds bit, reflected in post #63,
    first pic.

    2nd pic is John Jackson 14J Rack 1820 Liverpool and 15 tooth.

    Probably confusing, I have 5 Rack levers.

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    Hi Keith,

    That's what I thought, so the Jackson is a four wheel train.

    Regards,

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    #67 Keith R..., Jan 18, 2019
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    I have found another American Colonial 1774 Boston with a Maine watch paper. Now my
    good English pals aren't to interested (can't blame them, they're not from the States), but if
    anyone has an interest I'm sitting on one in my inbox from a seller friend of mine and it's
    bringing low bucks. Decent looking verge but stuck balance, outer case about 48MM but
    thick (it's what Ray calls a short fatty). Like this one.

    If anyone has an interest PM me, I'll put you on it. My 1763 shown is all I need, plus I have
    a Federal period 1796 Van Wyck getting restored by the Windup now. The auction last 2 more
    days. This 1763 Perry watch is in restoration now, by Carignan Watch Co.

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    I have had dialogue with the deserving collector from our European board in regards
    to the 1774 watch mentioned above. I wish them the best of luck!

    Here's a message for the Northeast, take precautions for travel with the winter weather
    rolling through. Be safe and enjoy our platform here.

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    #69 Keith R..., Jan 20, 2019
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    Tracking says I may have the Duplex tomorrow.

    If I were to look for say one more Duplex or one more cylinder, what maker would
    be considered a one or two star, for an English Duplex or Cylinder watch maker?

    Perhaps if in good running order and of good quality any watch that could be verified,
    dated, and original between case & movement. This makes the assumption of a ruby
    cylinder undamaged and intact.

    Obviously the Simons duplex and the Dwerrihouse cylinder are both re-cased. The next
    two, I desire movement and case original to each other.

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    Hi Keith,

    Only one or two star?

    Regards,

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    Too funny Graham.............you're right, any duplex working in decent shape, would be 4 star.:)

    I also forgot today is an American holiday, so the mail did not post. I'm sure the duplex will
    be there tomorrow. We have had a bit of a freeze hit our neck of the woods, so the old wood
    stove is churning out the heat.

    I've had time to ponder small differences today in crystals. Here is my Alex Purvis 1820 and
    lacks a bulls eye crystal and my American 15J Aurora with a bulls eye crystal (1880). Most
    times you can't catch the flat spot in a photo, just the camera reflection. The Aurora was a
    RR adjusted watch back in it's day.

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    #72 Keith R..., Jan 22, 2019
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    Well the Simon's duplex made it home to KY.

    The good news, it was shipped with extra precautions (excellent job Bryan Eyring).
    The good news, I may have some 1850's lever cases that will work.
    The good news, the old sticker peeled right off the back of inner case.

    The bad news, none of my spare outer pair cases will fit.
    The neutral news, I have to wait until tonight to fire it up.
    The neutral news, I need to add one piece of card board, bottom left side to tighten it up in
    the inner case.

    The other running duplex in a dust cap running through at the same time went for $228. I
    am $50 better off, plus it has a cap expressly made for a US jeweler. So when one has spare
    lever cases, items like this are a bargain. I don't sell, I just collect and I want a case that
    allows me to transport and show the duplex.

    All in all, I'm well pleased. I will be even happier if it takes off running tonight.

    *Note, I specify 1850's lever cases, as thickness followed trends. Not because I'm trying
    to do a retrofit.

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    I am pretty sure that bullseye crystals are an affectation on all watches where they appear. It just adds a feature with little merit.

    They show up fairly late in the UK and then in the 20th century older watches got fitted with them to add a bit of interest.

    I think the idea that they get more light on the dial and improve readability is pretty much not true.
     
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    Well, the bewitching hour arrived at 10:37 P.M. EST and I smoothly wound the Simons
    duplex up, gave her a little twist to the right and the loud ticking began, (not as loud as
    my cylinder). So I'll see how she does through the night.

    Now here's what's funny. I sent Denis (Carignan Watch) a key for the Lawrance rack
    lever, which really makes little sense (the guy should have every key under the sun),
    but out of over 100 keys, this one fits all my odd ball watches. Low and behold I stuck
    it on the duplex and it fit (I have my empty BP medicine bottles I store my key wind
    loose keys in), so I did not have to sort through the pile of keys for Bryan's duplex.

    I'm not sure what you guys use, but I took the wife's ceramic jewelry small container
    and keep my 4,5 & 6 keys in, which covers most of my English and American key winds.
    Now tomorrow I'll go through the china cabinet picking out some 1850 open face levers.
    I might have a hunter, but that's last resort. I had Denis send some hinge pin stock home
    with the Lawrance rack, so that's covered also. My sister in-law asked for the container
    and at the time it was full of my keys, so I told her it was in use (she dropped it).

    This gives us another 1854 duplex that should make it to the next care taker, in working
    order. Thanks for putting up with me guys. If you look at the third pic, that's the back of
    the Lawrance rack pair case and the small key is tied to the bow, at the top right hand side
    of the photo. I know I use it to wind at least 8 of my main display watches. It has a little
    star on it and I did not know if that stood for Coventry or not.

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    Well, checked back in and it had stopped 30 minutes in. I rebooted and it's going again running
    fine. This is not uncommon if one runs a watch on the day it came in from shipping. I call it the
    shipping jitters. If I can get it to go after the first stoppage, it's usually fine after that. Case in
    point, my Richard Ward carry watch had the jitters. I got her going and now it's my carry watch.
    The watch had been serviced. So, hopefully she will run through the end of the chain now. If it
    stops again, I'll shut it down until service time. I did find it a case tonight from the China cabinet.

    The hands on the dead watch will also work on it. So she is setup to get serviced and cased.

    I call that good news for the Simons duplex.

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    Considering I now own a duplex, it needs a good service and adjustment. I shall try
    and return it to a lever case and get it a nice set of hands, like these from 1850.

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    I had decided to let the duplex rest for 24 hours and since restarting it, old Simons
    is timing with my Richard Ward lever. I'm keeping my fingers crossed on this one.

    Once I get it running past 24, I'll work on all positions and it's next case. Once that's
    taken care of, I'll send it in for service (packed as good as heygreatwatch packaged
    it, to send to me). I'm trying to get this done by the time the Thomas Perry completes.

    The coyotes have gotten to close to the cabin tonight, so the two dogs are going nuts!!
    Usually they don't stir that much when it's a cold rain out, but cloudy weather brings them
    on the prowl. Moonlit nights are a bit more peaceful out here.

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    #78 Keith R..., Jan 24, 2019
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    Here's another of mine that had shipping jitters (from Brazil). After this one, I let the others
    I bought from the guy, sit for 24 hours before winding.

    It's about +1 minute in 24hrs now and I carry it quite a bit. Maybe I'll get lucky and find
    a dial for it, (Carignan maybe).

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    #79 Keith R..., Jan 26, 2019
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    Must have been watch day, three showed up. A Rockford Private label from Indiana, a
    Swiss verge from 1785 and an English lever from mid 1800's (George Brinkman). I will
    do two threads later on.

    John Pavlik, the Swiss watch is not a repeater. While I'm on here, one of you guys need
    to step up to the plate, find and buy a Josh Johnson 25 Church Street SN# 7770 or
    under. Then post it.:D

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    #80 Keith R..., Jan 26, 2019
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    I thought I'd try a different background in my light box. I'll try a shot with
    silver on white vs a blue background. I think blue is to dark for silver.

    With my lighting, I shall go with white for a bit, it shows outlines of the
    watch better.

    Well, that last one taught me, when it's gold, people can fool you (lost
    out on Mr. Cooper).

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    #81 Keith R..., Jan 26, 2019
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    When I posted a photo in my pre-railroad thread I got some feedback from Jim Haney that
    my photos would not enlarge and I had something wrong in my setup. I had not heard back
    from him, so I sent Ray a question about my photos and he went on to explain that I needed
    more pixels. Well that sounded reasonable, so I saved these as large 1280 something pixels.

    Now I'll be seeing these for the first time, but I picked a watch with a good bit of writing on the
    dial. I would like anyone who can give feedback to please do so, I'm trying to give us better
    photos.

    Now as an aside to the pixels, Jim finally responded after I understood the pixel issue from
    Ray and he said my photos would not enlarge past the first photo click. When he clicked on
    them after opening it the first time, he indicated mine would not open to a larger picture the
    second click. I'll be honest, they open for me on the second click to quite a large picture. I
    will confirm that with this photo (now I asked him the first time, did he mean 100% of my pics)
    and he did not answer to that. Anyway, here's my 1861 MI Tobias at 1280 x 960 pixels (thanks
    Ray).

    So here's my edit.............when I clicked the second time like always the photo blew up big
    like it always does for me. I think I have a vision problem.;)

    Second pic is more in focus.

    EDIT 2, I think I know my focus problem, I'm not wearing my glasses when I use the camera
    to take the photo to begin with (I'll cure that next pic I take).

    EDIT 3, When I click on the photo after opening it big first time it gets much bigger for me.
    Maybe it only does it for me and Haney and the rest of you don't get a big second
    enlargement. If this is the case, I have to figure out where the problem is. My guess is he
    only had a problem with one example and the rest will enlarge on the second click.

    EDIT 4, two things, I need to wear my glasses when working the camera, I need to bring it
    in focus once wearing those glasses. PS........Thanks Ray, that's what I thought!!


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    Hi Keith, these photos do get bigger on second click. Regards Ray
     
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    Hi Keith,

    Yes, you have the size issue cracked. Now, how about working on the lighting?

    This was taken on my bench with just a desk lamp. The camera is an elderly 9 mega pixel model, the original image is 3108 x 2477 pixels which the MB software has scaled to 1600 x 1275, I did set the white balance to compensate for the colour of the light, and the lamp was an LED, so it is somewhat diffused.

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    Regards,

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    There we go, an LED lamp..............next trip to town. Thanks Graham as always!!!

    My camera is older, but I think wearing my glasses to see the tiny screen in back,
    I can pull the focus button in just a tad better.

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    Hi Keith,

    I should have added that the lamp has a domed reflector about 6" across, so the light isn't all coming from a point source.

    If you camera doesn't have auto focus, I think it's time for an upgrade there as well! Mine is an aged Fuji Finepix S9500 which still has spot focusing and some macro facility. I should think you could pick up a used one, or something similar, fairly cheaply now. (Just looked, in the UK between £60 and £100 used).

    Regards,

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    Keith - I don't agree with Graham regarding auto focus particularly for macro photography. Manual focus is generally regarded as being superior even with moderately expensive modern SLR cameras. I always use manual focus when photographing watches. The proviso is that you need good lighting and the ability to view the image clearly in order to obtain a sharp focus. Get the lighting right first.

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    Hi John,

    If you have a true macro lens, I agree, but for my camera spot autofocus works fine; all the pictures in my posts are done that way. However, improving the lighting is crucial.

    Regards,

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    Just to be clear about picture attachments, you can upload a file that is no larger than 30 Mbytes and when it has uploaded it will resize your image so the largest dimension is 1600 pixels (if the original is larger than that). It will not do "empty" enlargement of a smaller picture.

    If you want your images resized or rotated, a moderator can do that for you. You should use the report function to ask for help.

    I have mostly stopped using a camera since the iPhone pictures have gotten to be better than I can usually do with my Panasonic Lumix. My Panasonic does have optical image stabilization that helps with my less than steady hands. However, my phone with the Nimbus Dome does a better job on most of the things I want to photograph.
     
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    Tom, as for cameras I like post #86 or #87 to juggle options, but I shall not rent one.:)

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    This is our local joke. All my friends have Smart phones but me. So when
    we're just sitting around, they're flipping through the little screen with their
    finger, while I'm trying to make eye contact ensuring we're all in agreement.

    I know one day, I'll have one with all the latest bells & whistles.

    I just bought another watch from 1820, so anything is possible.

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    You do not have to use it like the kids do. It is good for browsing the web while traveling. You have to be able to text to talk to grandchildren. If you keep it with you they can find you in the woods when you wander off if you enable location tracking. :)
     
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    I got aggravated with these verges rolling in here doing +40 minutes and the seller proud of that.

    I grabbed one yesterday, but before I did I asked the last day of the auction, how well it would time.
    He indicated +2 minutes in 24 checked in several positions, so I bid and won the auction. If you guys
    can spell this name, I'll be nice to you for 6 months.;)

    My Dubree 1820 verge also times this well in 24 hours. I wanted an 1820 verge in a pair case, the
    Dubree is in a custom made consular case and is front wind. Watch has been serviced and has
    a 1 year warranty.

    Seller says Ulph, looks like Wph. I could not find anything on Robert Ulph.

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    Hi Keith - its Ulph, Robert of Stalham. This name appears in the 1836 Whites Directory of Norfolk

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    Stalham - NE of Norwich.

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    John
     
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    Thanks much John and also thanks for your other info on it's whirlwind UK tour through
    January. We should share with Graham, he'd get a kick out of it.

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    #95 Keith R..., Jan 29, 2019
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    This one was rolling through at the same time of the Ulph Verge I just won. Ray had gotten a
    similar style movement and I have an unidentified movement by the same ebauche maker.
    This one is for either F. Molyneux watch maker or retailer.

    It's 15J and running. Now this version I believe appeared in the middle 1850's. Now I at times
    buy watches in hunter cases, one has to in order to participate. OK, Ray encourages me when
    I find the right stuff and chews on me when it don't cut it. This one is 56MM at 142 grams and
    18 size American. Killer engine turning on case.

    I included an unidentified hunter from the 1850's I bought that keeps perfect time. It also is
    15J, but 16 size.

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    #96 Keith R..., Jan 30, 2019
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    It would appear by Saturday I could receive the verge from post #92 and the Swiss lever
    from post #95. I can recall buying the 16 size Swiss hunter case shown (50MM) from post
    #95 and first winding/running it for a day and was amazed how well it timed straight out of
    the field. I usually set the bar low so I don't get disappointed.

    I believe if the Ulph verge times well, I'll let it move to the display and pull out the 11 jewel
    Davenport lever from 1867, Graham serviced for me. I've been wanting to carry that one for
    quite some time. This will solve the bumping of the Champion verge from the main display.

    The watch has my cream colored dial.

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    Are you guys not cold.......geeez it's 10 degrees here and headed for zero.
    Last night I woke up at 3 AM just in time to load the wood stove up. Then I
    fell asleep throughout the day (sorry Ray) and I just got the fire going for the
    next frigid blast (the deck I keep a wheel barrow to fetch blocks of wood
    stacked on he side of the cabin). So I'll have to fire up the Davenport tomorrow
    night, as consolation I wound up my favorite L Lawrance rack lever for a day.

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    #98 Keith R..., Jan 31, 2019
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    So Ray and I are talking on my first cup of coffee. I tell him about my Barraud with the U/D
    indicator. The watch would start gaining time at 1/2 wind. So I told Ray I'd just wind it every
    8 hours.

    Ray went on to "Splain" (another story I can tell later), about the mainspring getting changed
    out, but the old fusee cone still the same. The difference in tension between new & old can cause
    this minor flaw. I get around it by my method.

    "Splaining", when I first came up to Kentucky I was living in Virginia, before that I was living half
    the time in France. So when I got to Kentucky an old guy asked me a question about one of my
    borders and asked me to splain it. After the exchange the old store owner looked at me and said,
    you'll get used to it. Now after 20 years I know how to SPLAIN Things myself.:)

    EDIT...........SPLAINING #2. There's a thread on the American side I put up for carry
    watches. If you have a watch that you carry and have handy pics, please add to the
    thread titled "Time on the go". I plan on waiting until tonight and add my English
    carry watches, this way I can aggravate J. Haney.;)

    Keith R...

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    #99 Omexa, Jan 31, 2019
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    Hi Keith, a very good "Exspaination" sic. Regards Ray
     
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    #100 Keith R..., Feb 1, 2019
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    What a morning. It's at least warmer today, I can shut the wood stove down.
    I got the Swiss lever in, I judge to be 1850's, a style similar to many of you here
    on the board. I grabbed the 16 size lever with a similar ebauch..........but had a
    hard time finding a key to fit it (I have about 120). I finally got them both going,
    timing together. The Molyneux 18s silver hunter is darn near flawless. I was doing
    good on the pics, but during the 4th shot a message came up on my camera
    saying I had to re-format my card. I went through 2 old cards and one out of
    a new plastic wrapper. I tried re-formatting to no avail............I'll have to play with
    this junky old camera to get it going..............or break down and buy one like
    Graham advocated. If I recall, another of us has the same calibre watch.

    The Molyneux and the no name are both in lock step, keeping time with my Barraud.
    Note, the sunk seconds bit. Now the watch could be 1860's, but I believe they came
    out originally in the mid 1850's.

    But for now, here's what I have captured so far. I have only 4 European hunter cased
    watches.

    Keith R...

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