Now I’m excited

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  1. pmwas

    pmwas Registered User

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    Finally I got myself a Lord Elgin Electronic - as an Elgin fan I had to have at least one and now I won the bidding only half an hour ago. The price was high for a non-working watch, and till the last minute I was thinking if I should bid any higher, but eventually - I did.

    Well - I don’t have much hope this is capable of ticking, but... at least I have an Electronic model now :)

    Will update this thread when it arrives :)
     
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    Yes... once upon the time I’ve bought three 725 Electronic movements just to examine. It’s a simple design with an elektromagnet and a magnetic spot on the balance. The balance will move a tiny wire closing the circuit for a short while, and the electromagnet will just turn on for a moment to interact with the balance. The problem is the wire is very, very fragile and all three are broken. The wire is short and won’t reach the roller. Even worse, it’s all soldered together, so pretty much irrepairable. I think it’s not even the softness of the wire, but it’s fragility that’s a problem with the 725 and maybe it was just a wrong material chosen that killed the movement and - perhaps - Elgin itself. All in all - even though I expect to find a 725 in my watch, my 725s are no good for parts, but at least I know better how a 725 was supposed to work...
     
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  3. diveboy

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    so your saying the Elgin electronic killed Elgin ?
     
  4. pmwas

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    In part - likely so. One would have to see the accounts to know for sure, but... Notice how much money it takes to develop a whole new technology, establish production lines, make a whole lot of watches, spend money on advertising, train the watchmakers to service them and then buy them all back as faulty.

    If you look in the web - there were many different models already in production - the whole thing and it’s final failure must have cost Elgin a lot of money...
     
  5. Chris Radek

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    It's sad so many of these old Electrics are botched up. This model reminds me of the LIP R184 but without the suppression diode. I refreshed my memory from the service manual and nothing is soldered together in these, it's all screws. It doesn't say how the wire is attached to the movable contact, but it's a separate piece, and it's easy to get short lengths of platinum wire in those sizes... It doesn't seem so hopeless to me.
     
  6. pmwas

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    Look what I’ve made :)



    Not exactly remarkable, but it’s not even oiled, just put together from three movements :)
     
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    And I’m thinking - now I’m even more excited as maybe I will be able to make my watch run :) only it’s the first version with Elgin battery - will have t think how to bypass that issue - if it’s worth compromising the original design... well - I have to wait till it arrives anyway ;)
     
  8. diveboy

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    with out the suppression diode ? its on the back of the 725 coil mate, it was even on the 722.

    makes you wonder where LIP got the idea for using a suppression diode on the R148 & R184 from doesn't it ?
     
  9. diveboy

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    its not the microcell version, you most likely have the twin W1 battery version of the 725.
     
  10. diveboy

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    This is the second time I have seen you claim they brought back all the electronics ? where is the source of this statement please ?
     
  11. GeneJockey

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    IIRC, the diode is the reason the Elgin Electronic is electronic, not simply electric, like the Hamilton Electric.
     
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    RE the connection between LIP & Elgin electrics, don't forget that those 2 companies entered into a cooperation agreement to that end in 1949 which lasted into the 1950s. Indeed LIP sent a number of their French engineers over to the Elgin facility as part of the consortium.
     
  13. John Runciman

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    I'm a bit puzzled? If they really were all faulty and the company did purchase them all why is it they keep showing up on eBay?

    Then as a reminder when you're connecting up your power source you do have to get the polarity correct otherwise your energy goes through the diode and the watch doesn't run.
     
  14. pmwas

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    Yes, yes - polarity observed.

    As for the watch itself - I did use a wrong term „buy back”. I don’t want to quote other websites too much, but I read 725 release was a failure and the watches were „removed from the market and detroyed”. Like it was said, however, there is no real evidence on what happened with the entire 725 production - I’d assume the few examples showing up from time to time... well... if some were ever sold, some must have survived. But no more assuming as it’s... dagerous...
     
  15. diveboy

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    some guy has a bunch of them.
     
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    OK, so… my watch has been shipped from Kentucky today and is due to arrive at Sep 4th. Which is probably how it will be as the GSP estimations are usually quite accurate.
    I have to admit I'm less excited than I was at first and that is the problem with international shipping - you buy a watch, so excited you've finally got one and than you wait… and wait… and wait… :)
    Also, I don't think I will be able to attend to it before mid-september anyway. Until then… I have to be patient, even though… I'm just not a patient person :)
     
  17. pmwas

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    Ok, my watch has arrived. It needs a balance (broken) a setting arbor (screw broken off) and a new crown. A crown should be easy to make (fit) and I have the other parts, so maybe, maybe...
     
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    Yesterday I was a virtuoso - master watchmaker indeed... so I managed to replace the balance (easy) and setting stud, making the watch tick again (yet - the amplitude is sub-optimal), but I also managed to break the precious ‚ligntningbolt’ on the second hand while removing the crystal.

    It’s a tightly fitted thick crystal and even when squeezed strongly - it’s still quite tight and so I pulled a bit and it slipped :(

    Funny - whenever I’m extra cautious sonething bad happens. I wasn’t even angry, no. I usually am, but this time I was just very sad.

    I resoldered and repainted the hand, but it’s not the same. When I have some time, I’ll try to fit a crown and install batteries to see if it’s alive enough to show you ;)

    Still - Such a shame about the hand - it’s so precious...
     
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    Crown repair!!!

    I filed down the crown, drilled it all theway through and put it on a staking set...

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    As you see - it has a round hole and it needs a square. In this case - it’s easier to do it the hard way.

    I have the stem with screw broken in...

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    ...and I just punched it into the hole, making a square.

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    Now it just take to fit a screw (I use another spare stem, good one this time).

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    And...

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    ...done!!! The batteries are on their way, so soon I will see what I’ve got :)
     
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    OK - today I got my batteries and a strap.

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    I installed the batteries and the watch did start off sluggishly.
    I'm sorry - I forgot to clean the plate around the stem - I was willing to do so, but... I forgot :)

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    This is how the watch looks.
    It's in not bad cosmetic condition...

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    As you can see, the resoldered second hand is not bad, but the red bolt is thus slightly shorter...

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    On the back, my replaced crown.
    It's of incorrect tone for the case, but I'm still proud :)

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    The crystal has a low height and it's difficult to remove. Not very convenient for a watch opened through crystal ;)

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    Below - the working watch. Actually - it does work in all positions (despite the low amplitude) and after 1.5 hours it keeps time...



    Nice watch - I'm happy to have one in my collection :)
     
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    4th day - the watch works and shows pretty much correct time!

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    I though the accuracy would be worse...
     
  22. pmwas

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    Here it is ‚watching’ Twin Peaks with me :)

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