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  1. shal

    shal Registered User

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    Novice question to the experts.

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  2. JTD

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    What is the question?

    I think see a name written on the dial (picture #4)

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  3. Les harland

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    There appears to be a name atthe bottom of picture #4
    Can you read it?
     
  4. JTD

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    I see Les and I were writing at the same time, with the same thought.

    I am wondering if the word on the right hand side might be THWAITE. If so, there are several places in UK called Thwaite, but if we can decipher the words going before, we might have a name.

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  5. Les harland

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    Loomes has nineteen entries for Thwaites as a clock maker's name
    Hopefully the word on the left is a "first name"
     
  6. Uhralt

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    I would also say English, made around 1800 or maybe somewhat later.

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  7. shal

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    Thanks all for your responses. I checked for clocks named Thwaites, and I did see one which had a striking mechanism that the same as the one on my clock. I have not been able to find a face similar to the one I have. I will keep looking. Thanks again.
     
  8. Les harland

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    Picture #4 has a name on both sides of the six
    The right hand side appears to be Thwaites
    Loomes has nineteen entries for Thwaites
    If you can post the name on the left it may be possible to find which it is
     
  9. JTD

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    I only see THWAITE, not Thwaites, but your eyes may better than mine.

    I still think this may be the town, not the maker's/retailer's name, but perhaps if we can get to what the other word(s) is/are we can better decide.

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  10. shal

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    I saw some clocks on the web by J.Wilde that looked similar. Here is a close up of the names on the dial.

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  11. Les harland

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    I have checked the signature against the entries in Loomes
    No luck I am afraid
    I was hoping there might be a few "key" letters that could be part of a name
    I am not sure if the name on the right is Thwaite(s)
     
  12. JTD

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    I agree - I no longer think it is Thwaite(s).

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  13. novicetimekeeper

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    I think it says James somebody on the left, and a town on the right. (Ja superscript s) Town looks like it ends in n

    I agree, chapter ring suggests 1800 but would be good to see the whole dial.
     
  14. shal

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    Hope this helps.

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  15. novicetimekeeper

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    Could it say wilson? It looks pre 1800, and I guess those are the four seasons.
     
  16. JTD

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    I wondered about Wilson too, but I couldn't get enough space in the W.

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    There is a fair chance you could pick out the missing letters either with a uv torch or oblique lighting. you don't need much more of it to make sense of it.
     
  18. JTD

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    I agree. I keep wishing I had the dial in my hand - it seems 'so near, yet so far' and I hate being beaten!

    Follow Nick's advice and see if you can make out some more.

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  19. novicetimekeeper

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    Yes, the trouble is we might recognise the names more easily
     
  20. Les harland

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    I am the same
    I think the name will be blindingly obvious when we find out what it is
     
  21. shal

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    You are correct. The four seasons are in each corner. I'll look into getting a UV light.

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  22. shal

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    Attached are the pics I took using a UV light. I'm afraid my expertise in lighting/photography is as poor as my skill in clock repair. Again, thanks for the help in solving this mystery.

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    your picture may not help, but did you see anything? It can be very subtle and your eyes are better than any camera
     
  24. shal

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    I believe the last letter on the word between 30-35 minutes (bottom left on dial) is an "N"
     
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    It also looks like there may be two words between 30-35, and it appears that the second word begins with capital "F" or "T" and ends with the letter "N"??
     
  26. novicetimekeeper

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    Yes, I agree. The first word is Jn I imagine, possibly with a superscript o, it stands for John.
     

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