Non Advertising Baird Clock

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  1. clocks4u

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    This Baird is a non advertising clock. Is this the only model that they made without advertising on it? Also, doing a quick online search, it's referred to as a figure eight. Does anyone know if they gave it a model name? I own 100s of clock books. Maltz's Baird Advertising Clocks isn't one of them yet.... Thank you, Chris

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    Nice find Chris!

    There are a couple of non-advertising models. I believe RM had a nice one with a solid bottom door that he posted (last year?). I don't have Jerry's book here but if memory serves he has two non-advertising clocks in it. I'll have to check.

    If you're interested in a copy of the book PM me.

    Bob
     
  3. rmarkowitz1_cee4a1

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    Agreed. That is a nice find.

    In "Baird Advertising Clocks" by Jerry Maltz, pages 146-7 and figure 74. A virtually identical clock to yours is shown with dimensions. It is basically a standard sized (30 1/2 inches long) "figure 8" with an oculus in the door and no advertising. He dates it to around 1892.

    In the same reference, pages 144-5 and figure 73, what Maltz calls a miniature @ 26 inches long is shown. It is also a figure 8 but with a solid door.

    See this posting:

    Give 'em the Baird!!

    Therein I posted yet another non-advertising standard sized Baird. The case of mine is grained to resemble oak (I think the company actually called it "maple"). Here's a teaser:

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    Schiff and Schiff in "Edward Payson Baird: Inventor, Industrialist, Entrepreneur" show a clock just like mine on page 38, figures 48 and 49 That clock has the added embellishment of a painted rustic scene on the lower door and vine and leaf painted decoration on the bezel.

    The Schiffs also show non-advertising Bairds like those in Jerry's book on page 21, figure 24 and page 22, figure, 25. They also illustrate a non-advertising one that is more like a school house clock on page 23, figure 23.

    Another good reference is this Bulletin article by Jerry Maltz (the best benefit of your membership is access to the Bulletin):

    https://docs.nawcc.org/Bulletins/2000/articles/2008/375/375_418WEB.pdf

    He also shows another example of the non-advertising school house type Baird on the last page.

    So, yes, Baird made non-advertising clocks. I think they are less common than the advertising ones. They made a few different models including a "miniature". I suspect they weren't very successful so few models and few around.

    And yes, do get a copy of Jerry Maltz's book. It's become the standard reference on these clocks.

    Again, nice find!

    RM
     
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    Thank you for the quick replies. I did a forum search and there is quite a bit of info on Baird's in general. I did see RMs post of the non advertising Baird's. I will also read Jerry's Bulletin article that was linked.....I understand these cases can be rather fragile. This one looks to have original finish but covered with surface dirt/dust. Any recommendations for safely cleaning off the crud while not hurting the finish? Thanks again, Chris
     
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    I say leave it.

    RM
     
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    I read Jerry's article. The non advertiser he showed had the model name Plymouth. Does anyone know if the figure 8 was given a model name too?
     
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    Chris,

    I believe Jerry's book mentions that the name was "Saranac" for this model, named after the river that ran past the factory.

    Regards,

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    I was able to look at a friends copy of Jerry's book today. The Saranac is pictured as figure 74. Not sure if it's okay to post a image of the info page and the clock on here or not. I haven't pulled the dial on it yet to see the movement. It does have a nice Plattsburgh label on inside backboard.
     
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    Yes, that's the label is should have. Probably will find a ST movement.

    Post pix of both if you're so inclined.

    Nice clock.

    RM
     
  10. JTD

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    I agree this case shouldn't be aggressively cleaned, but from what I can see on the photo, it looks just plain dirty. I think carefully cleaning it with a clock case cleaner would improve this clock immensely. 'Curator Clock Case Restorer', which Timesavers sell, is very good and won't remove the patina or original finish.

    That's what I think anyway, others will surely have their own thoughts.

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    Not so sure. These cases are papier mache, not wood.

    Patina I see very typical for these cases.

    Leave it be.

    RM
     
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    I agree with RM, paper Mache is it's own animal and once the material starts to delaminate/disintegrate your doomed...............soft brush, and live with the beauty that is history.
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    Ah! I didn't know that, not being very familiar with American clocks, I thought it was wood. If the case is papier mache, then I agree 100%, leave it as it is or just soft brush, as Bruce suggests.

    I shouldn't have opened my mouth in this case! My apologies. (But I stand by what I said, had it been wood!)

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    The dumbest question is the one not asked and then failure ensues ! :))
     
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    No worries and you're most welcome to open you're mouth any time!

    RM
     
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    Here are some more pictures of the Baird. You can see what I mean about how dirty the case is. The center wood portion should be able to be gently cleaned. I wish there was something I could do with the bezels. You can see it's just years of caked on dirt and dust. I'm not sure the dial has been off this clock, at least in a long time. The pin holding the hands on is square instead of round. It just has the appearance of an untouched clock.

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    Very nice well preserved clock I would be thrilled to own.

    The suggestion to use a soft brush to gently remove dust is a good one. I've used a decent quality soft larger artist's brush for such purposes.

    Resist temptation.

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    It otherwise needs nothing. That's just how these cases sometimes age.

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  18. clocks4u

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    LOL. I'm sure that is good advise. Thanks!
     

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