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  1. Jmeechie

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    Hi All,
    Here’s a really lucky find on Craigslist, a cast iron N. Muller cast iron! I was honestly expecting an Ansonia movement inside with the open escapement. Any help identifying the model will be greatly appreciated as I plan on this being a keeper!
    Cheers,
    James

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  2. Jmeechie

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    Just wondering if anyone can tell me if this clock had feet?
     
  3. JTD

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    I don't believe so.

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  4. Steven Thornberry

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    I agree with JTD. Given the "cut-away" base, I would not expect it to have had feet.

    May we see better pictures of the movement? Does the inscription on the movement say N(icholas) Muller or N(icholas) Muler's Sons?
     
  5. Jmeechie

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    Hi Steven,
    It reads N. Muller’s Sons & Co New York, pictures attached
    Through a little research I believe this is a modified Gilbert movement possibly? with F. Kroeber “Corinthia” mantle clock side figures. (Last picture I found on an old EBay listing)
    Any additional insight would be greatly appreciated
    Cheers,
    James

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    I think I’ve ran into a stumbling block or enigma, I could only find on the inside lower portion of the front of the case the numbers 22/7 or 22??
    The clock appears to have been stripped and repainted, with a brush and a lot of dust/dirt in the paint! Also, the label on the back is sadly long gone, with what I’m guessing was the models name.
    Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

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  7. Steven Thornberry

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    I would not place much importance on these numbers, which may have had significance only when the clock was assembled but not after. So far as case and movement are concerned, I do not recognize either at the moment. If the clock were a special make for Muller's Sons & Co., it likely would not appear in any manufacturer's catalogue, though it might have appeared in sales literature offered by Muller's Sons & Co., if such can be found.

    BTW, it really serves no good purpose to post the same thing in two different threads in two different forums. It does not necessarily increase your chances of receiving the answer you want, but it does increase the chances of confusion. I suggest you stick to this thread.
     
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    #8 Jmeechie, Mar 15, 2020
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    Will do. I was thinking posting on the “Post your N. Muller Clocks” was adding info to that search thread separately for future research. Not a problem.
     
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    #9 Jmeechie, Mar 15, 2020
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    I would not place much importance on these numbers, which may have had significance only when the clock was assembled but not after. So far as case and movement are concerned, I do not recognize either at the moment. If the clock were a special make for Muller's Sons & Co., it likely would not appear in any manufacturer's catalogue, though it might have appeared in sales literature offered by Muller's Sons & Co., if such can be found.

    Ok. I was going on all the info I’ve read concerning identifying these clocks by model numbers. As I mentioned previously, I found a match to the side mermaids? on a F. Kroeber black mantel “Corinthia”. So, it sounds like I may have a one off or minimal run clock, possibly latter in the combined premises of F. Kroeber and N. Mullers Sons?
     
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    Kroeber was at the combined premises (8 Cortlandt St.) from 1874-1882. The firm Nicholas Muller's Sons & Co. apparently came into existence in 1895 at 224 W. 26th Street, and then only until 1897.
     
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    Interesting? The one thing I am certain of is the clock is in original condition, with no extra screw holes for a different movement in the wooden mounting board or adornments (just the broken/missing pieces in the mermaids hands). Just appears as though someone did a lousy job repainting the case and trim pieces? I can’t imagine so much dust in the black paint and globed on gold paint. And truthfully at least the mermaids have an adhesive like substance making me believe they were originally gilded.
    The interesting thing for me is the connection of the mermaids? to the F. Kroeber “Corinthia”. I know there was a relationship, business and personal, but curiously, it sounds like N. Muller’s Sons & Co was cross mingling pieces though there was no apparent connection during this time? Possibly the Co. was the connection? Curious thought to ponder.
    More research.
     

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