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I have an opportunity to purchase a New York Watch Co pocket watch circa 1874, but I'm not familiar with this company other than they were the precursors to the Hampden Watch Co. Can anyone tell me if the New York Watch Co made quality watches?
 

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That's good to know, thanks! The watch is a Charles E. Hayward sz 18 pocket watch in running order. What's a fair estimate of value?
 

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The Hayward is 11 jewels with rubbed in jewels and an imitation expansion balance.

Value would depend on the condition, case and originality. It would be hard to give an estimate without seeing it. Hayward is one of the more common ones.
 

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Just a nice reminder :) that we do not talk about watches that are currently for sale
on auctions like eBay etc etc. I assume it's a private sale. Please only post
a photograph if you have permission from the seller to do so.
Thanks for understanding.

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I did indeed purchase the watch and unfortunately, the thin glass crystal popped out the moment I tried to open the bezel to adjust the hands and it broke. I'm thinking it was a replacement since it was paper thin. I guess I thought the older watch cases had thicker crystals. Also, the only identifying marks on the case are this interesting trade mark: can anyone identify who the trademark belonged to?
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Unfortunately, some of the hunting case crystals are thin
and fragile. I have broken a few myself.


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How interesting and yet disappointing: the case is apparently not original to the movement. The serial number on the movement puts the date at 1870/71 but the Swiss trademark was registered 1887.
 

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I wonder - what cases would the New York Watch Co have used for their movements? American made I'm guessing.
 

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The swiss case you have would have had a movement from the Montilier company.

New York Watch Co didn't use cases. They sold movements. The customer could pick any 18s case they wanted from a jewelers stock. Either that or a jeweler, jobber or wholesaler could possibly case the watch up and sell it as a complete watch. Either way, any period correct American watch case could make a home for this movement.
 
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Thanks for the information! Do you happen to know what year a Dueber Silverine case be?
 

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The silverine, Silverode, silveride, silveroid cases make nice movement holders for these older movements, but if your going for a good match, you'll want something else. Those cases are more 1880s and later.
 
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I have several NY Watch Co watches, some almost certainly in their original cases. A coin silver hunter case would be more than appropriate for an 1870's KW pocket watch.
 
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Thanks for the info. How can you tell if a Dueber case is an early one as opposed to one made after my watch, which is 1870?
 

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How can you tell if a Dueber case is an early one as opposed to one made after my watch, which is 1870?
Trademark design is a good indicator.
Look for a case with the trademark I show in my post # 20 or a later one like the one below used in later 5 digit serial number cases and into 6 digit numbered cases.

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Well... Hmm.. good question. Newport is a case grade and the location of the factory.

Dueber didn't move to Newport untill 1874. I'm just making an assumption (dangerous, I know...) that the Newport cases are at least 1874 if not later because of this information. Maybe someone will have further proof but I've not seen any.

The cases marked Newport are coin silver with a nickel cap. Just FYI.
 
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Daniel Buttrick

It's come to my attention that your watch is not a Hampden but a New York Watch
and I am going to move your post to that thread :) . The serial number is too low for Hampden(as I have been informed by another member)



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Hey Dan, glad to see you post to the NAWCC forums!

We already talked about the missing info in the inventory records, your watch having real jewel settings corresponding to a different grade and the nice early Hampden dial.

They moved your post because that other thread was collecting short balance cock model watches.

Again, awesome watch and thanks for sharing it!
 
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Hey Dan, glad to see you post to the NAWCC forums!

We already talked about the missing info in the inventory records, your watch having real jewel settings corresponding to a different grade and the nice early Hampden dial.

They moved your post because that other thread was collecting short balance cock model watches.

Again, awesome watch and thanks for sharing it!
Thanks! That makes sense. Looking forward to contributing more!
 

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