New York Watch Co.

[Greg Frauenhoff]

Thanks Fred.

Keep 'em coming.

 

[Greg Frauenhoff]

Re New York (and a few other companies), I've started to put some of my data online for your viewing pleasure.

http://members.aol.com/gfrauen10/researchmainpage.html

 

[Fred Hansen]

Hi Greg -

Will your online lists be updated from time to time with the info from these threads?

Fred

p.s. ...

22067 - Fredk Billings
25457 - Aaron Bagg

 

[Greg Frauenhoff]

Fred,

Yes indeed. Post the info here and it will eventually be added to the online list.

Thanks,

 

[Greg Frauenhoff]

The serial numbers from 20,001-40,000 are now online (whew!)

 

[Greg Frauenhoff]

Data for NY serial numbers above 40,000 are now on my research site.

 

[Eric Kroon]

Hi greg, if you do a search on *********** you will find a new york "aaron bagg" ser.#36711 with pic's. with a new york dial, i checked your list and it is the brother to 36710 do you know who owns that watch? thanx, Eric

 

[Greg Frauenhoff]

Eric,

Sorry, but I don't have any info on the owner of #36710.

 

[Fred Hansen]

44217 - Buckland Brothers, Springfield Mass (PL marked on the movement only)

45802 - Novelty

52028 - J.C. Perry

56334 - Novelty

Fred

 

[Fred Hansen]

13446 - Chester Woolworth

15403 - Ormsby Bros., Syracuse NY

18292 - Theo E. Studley

45433 - Chas. E. Hayward

52218 - J.C. Perry

Fred

 

[Greg Frauenhoff]

Thanks Fred,

My online NY s/n database has been updated with the new numbers.

 

[Fred Hansen]

23674 – Aaron Bagg

32848 – Chester Woolworth (long balance cock, “Hampden Watch Co.” SS Roman dial)

39004 – J.H. Hollister, West Meriden Conn (marked movement)

49408 – T. Shoemaker, Reading PA

Fred

 

[Jim Haney]

Greg,
This number is on your list (or Dick Z. ) list. 44,160.

I don't know if it's a Hampden or N.Y W. Co.?

It has a Hampden dial.

www.members.aol.com/pocwatjim/DSCN3032.jpg

www.members.aol.com/pocwatjim/DSCN3032.jpg

 

[LloydB]

#47470 18s KW
Marked 'John Hancock' and 'Springfield Mass';
older style click, solid balance wheel;

dial: NEW YORK WATCH Co (small 'o' superscript,
and underlined) single sunk, Roman Numeral.

Disassembled, parts missing, but probably 7j.

 

[Doug Addy]

17965 18 sz, KW/KS Chester Woolworth Not sure if 11 or 15 jewel.

Doug

 

[naomileigh]

I have recently inherited a Chas E Hayward pocket watch from New York Watch Co. S# 34372 Springfield Mass. info stamped inside on watch workings. I have tried to find info about this watch but have come up short. Would anybody be able to point me in the right direction to find out the history of this watch and other other valuable infomation that might be able to help be decide if i'm going to hold onto it or sell it on ebay. I have added a couple pictures of it here as well.

 

[Tom Huber]

Greg, If you are still collecting SN's

J.C. Perry SN 52,249

Tom

 

[Greg Frauenhoff]

I have recently inherited a Chas E Hayward pocket watch from New York Watch Co. S# 34372 Springfield Mass. info stamped inside on watch workings. I have tried to find info about this watch but have come up short. Would anybody be able to point me in the right direction to find out the history of this watch and other other valuable infomation that might be able to help be decide if i'm going to hold onto it or sell it on ebay. I have added a couple pictures of it here as well.

Hi,

Your watch dates to roughly 1874 or so. It's not one of the rarer grades, but New York Watch Co. watches are collectible in general. If you check eBay you will probably see some other similar New York key wind watches for sale and this should give you an idea of what it might sell for.

Greg

P. S. to Tom: I'm not actively collecting NY serial numbers since my website service through AOL went down. I might start a new site someday. In any event, this thread is as good a place as any to post info on new New York sightings.

 

[RWegner]

John Hancock
42665
Hampden face
Long Balance cock, with solid balance, right side of bridge.

Anyone have a complete listing of those known somewhere they can post?

 

[Kent]

I don't know about a complete listing, but quite a few are listed in the booklet: Serial List - New York Watch Company-Springfield, Mass., R.J. Ziebell, Old Post Office Clock Shop, Ipswitch, MA, 1972.

 

[shazam]

I just acquired a New York Watch Co. pocket watch and have a few questions about it. anyone here able to help me I would appreciate it.

Thanks

 

[Kent]

Hi shazam:

Welcome to the NAWCC American Pocket Watch Message Board!

We'll try to answer your questions but it would be helpful if you could post pictures of the movement (the "works") and markings stamped inside of the watch case (you can ignore any "hand-scratched" characters, they're watch repairers' marks), the clearer and sharper, the better. Clearness and sharpness is important as differences in makes, watch grades or case material markings can be subtle. Other pictures will help a little, but these are the most important. We may be able to identify it by the shape of the plates. In trying to open the watch, you might find the information in the Encyclopedia article entitled "How To Open A Pocket Watch Case" useful.

It's also helpful if you can post (i.e., type out) all the markings that are inside of the case and that are on the movement, especially the movement serial number, in case they can't be seen in the picture(s).

Good luck,

 

[shazam]

Hi Kent
Thanks for the welcome. I have been messing with watches for afew years. I am a watch/clock maker. I am wanting to know is if it's a Hampden or New York. The watch is in it's original Gf double hinge keystone case which is open face and serial number 12769 or 3 cant tell if the last digit is a 9 or 3 . it has a inscription on the inside lid of it and a date of 1874. The watch had a damaged dial on it and I was not able to tell if it was a New York dial or a Hampden. But anyway it is a 15J Kw Ks Rail Way with gold jewel settings. and has nickel plates. Movement is marked Springfield Mass Rail-Way Adj.Temp with a serial #57841. I do not have a New york dial at moment, so I put a Hampden dial on it for the moment. So any thoughts on it would be great.

Thanks

 

[Kent]

Congratulations on owning a nice, New York Watch Co. movement!

According to page 19 of the book Serial List - New York Watch Company-Springfield, Mass., R.J. Ziebell, Old Post Office Clock Shop, Ipswitch, MA, 1972, which consists of data taken "From the original inventions (read that as inventories) of 1872 thur 1876" movements 57801-57900 (Rail-Way) were in the Jeweling Department in 1875.

 

[shazam]

Awesome. Now I just need to find a New York Watch Co dial for it. Thank you for your help. I collect lots of various watches and come across a lot of unusual watches. So I will probably be posting more as I go with new finds and some that are currently in my collection.

Thanks

 

[watchbob]

Greg,
Recently purchased 3/4 plate Albert Clark ser#6079 - single sunk New York Watch Co marked dial (very small lettering) in NYWCo eagle hallmarked Coin Kw Ks back case -case sn 11770- looks orginal -looks like 15J
also have out 3/4 plate movements : Duhme & Co Cincinnati, O - 15 J - no Sn. on back plate - between plates #4702
(needs dial!) I assume would be marked as movt? or Plain ? I anyone can help let me know!
Also William H Hansell, Philadelphia ser# 4551 3/4 plate 15 J - No dial & again assume would be marked as dial ? or plain ?
I'll have to dig the others I have out & post
Thanks,
Bob

 

[Kent]

Bob:

In general, the dials ought to tend to have similar, or the same, markings as the movements.

It'd be easier to help you if you started a new thread for each watch (maybe continue the first watch in this thread) and include pictures of the movements and the case markings.

Good luck,

 

[watchbob]

Here are pictures of Albert Clark New York Watch Co. (sorry pictures aren't better)

 

[Kent]

Bob:

Now that I see it, I believe that "Albert Clark" is an 11-jewel, factory grade of the New York Watch Co.

 

[4thdimension]

Two I picked up today
-22914 Chas E. Hayward
-28879 "J.B Chambers&Co./Chicago
both with New York signed dials

 

[sapple]

I know it's been a while since anyone posted in here, but I have a NYWCo, serial 6208. H.G. Norton. Keywind.

 

[Greg Frauenhoff]

An old thread that I'd forgotten about. Perhaps we can start compiling the data sequentially in the encyclopedia? It would make the data more useful.

 

[artbissell]

Nice work and interesting. Sustain it. Art

 

[Omexa]

Hi, I did not realize that there was already a New York Watch Co post. Hi, the New York Watch Company Pocket Watch arrived a few days ago and when I removed the dial I found absolutely nothing; No Number or Maker; under the Balance Cock is a Number. Regards Ray

 

[Omexa]

Hi, I am still wondering about the lack of Name and number Regards Ray

 

[Greg Frauenhoff]

Hi, I am still wondering about the lack of Name and number Regards Ray

My guess is that it was some stuff finished up from "plates in progress", perhaps by Hampden. Watch Cos. (and their successors) threw very little away. It's a little surprising that most of the parts are unnumbered but perhaps they had yet to be matched to one another.

 

[4thdimension]

-52,107 J.C. Perry 15j KW adj. temp checkerboard dmk. N.Y. dial

 

[Kevin Neathery]

46,062 Monitor 11j KW New York Dial (Will confirm on the dial as the watch is at home)
51,153 Woolworth 15j KW Hampden Dial

 

[kevin h]

observed - 31576, chester woolworth , new york watch co dial

 

[joetime]

Observed-Fredk BILLINGS SN#31949 15J,Aaron Bagg SN#25496 7J,J.C.PERRY SN#52844 Nickel plate 15J,all have New York Dial

 

[Tom McIntyre]

Here is an Albert Clark that should be from the first year in Ziebell's list but does not appear in the list. That might mean it was one of the few that just worked when it was made instead of spending a year in finishing.

 

[Dave160th]

aaron Bagg 29586