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  1. Dutto11

    Dutto11 Registered User

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    Hi Everyone,
    For those who have seen me on here in the past I love to get bad watches and fix them up and I have another one to fix that I picked up from that internet auction site. I'm after a bit of information about which dial will work with the movement and case era.
    I don't have it yet as it is in transit to me and I know there will be lots of work to getting it running again but this is what I love to do.
    Any help or information on which dial and hands I should be looking for would be most appreciated.
    I have attached a couple of pictures of the offending watch.

    Cheers
    Gary
     
  2. Bila

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    You'll need a "Railway Special" marked Melamine dial Gary and pair it with a set of Stick & Spade hands (movement looks to be a 1951 production date), that style of the second hand looks correct but hard to see in the photo. Also that bow is incorrect as is the crown by the looks of it.
     
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    #3 Dutto11, Jul 10, 2017
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    Bila,
    Thanks for that, once I get it in my hands I'll be able to make a more detailed assessment of what it needs.
    I thought the dial would have to be as you stated but have seen other dials on similar watches. As for bow and crown not sure what to do there as finding the correct ones may prove very difficult so a replacement case may be in order.
    Would this be a model #16 case.

    Cheers
    Gary
     
  4. Bila

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    Yep, looks like a Model 16 to me.
     
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    Thanks everyone for replying and I'll keep you informed as to the progress.
    I will find the correct bow and probable contact William White for a new glass crystal.

    Cheers
    Gary
     
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    Hi All,
    Just an update and question.

    First of all the watch hasn't arrived yet but I believe it should be here today.
    Question:- It's obvious that a new dial and hands are in order but what color hands should I look for.
    Bright blue or the darker set as both are out there but not sure which one to go for.
    Cheers
    Gary
     
  8. richiec

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    I think darker is the appropriate one.
     
  9. Dutto11

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    Richiec, thanks for that and I will be on the look out for a nice set.

    But first I received the watch last night my time and went straight into pulling it down.
    What I found shocked and surprised me. almost all of the pivots were either broken or rusted away
    and the click spring was gone as well.
    Now I know what a lot of you are probably thinking that it would be far better to spend the money on a working watch and not waste
    my time and money on a basket case. Well I don't work like that and enjoy the challenge of bringing another lovely piece back to life.
    It may take me a while to do this but I'm in no hurry.
    I'll keep posting along my journey to just keep you informed and myself motivated to the end.
    I'll be on the look out for a long list of parts, not all will be easy to find but that's the way it goes.

    Ok enough from me for the time being.

    Cheers
    Gary
     
  10. karlmansson

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    Maybe see this as an opportunity to practice repivoting? :)
     
  11. Dutto11

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    Karlmansson,
    I would gladly do it but the rust issues I mentioned have actually attacked some of the gears as well as the pivots.
    There are some parts on eBay but not all so this could be a long process to get it back running again.
    Cheers
    Gary
     
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    Ah, right. Still, if the pieces are going to be scrapped and you want to learn, why not? I'm getting ready to make some jewel hole gauges just to get familiar with my new Steiner jacot. Sometimes you need an excuse to practice procedures :).
     
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    Hi All,
    Well after some sole searching I've decided to confine this to the parts draw as it would cost way more that it is worth.
    I may still keep an eye out for the parts needed and buy them when I see them.
    But it will be a very long drawn out process.
    Thanks everyone for your comments and if and when it rises from the ashes I'll let you know.
    Cheers
    Gary
     
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    Hello again,
    I have been busy with this watch and have brought it back to life all be it by getting a replacement movement and dial and hands as well as the bow.
    Didn't turn out too bad but the original movement is still with me and I will get the parts needed over a bit of time.
    Hope I haven't crossed the line of done anything that will upset the purists.
    Here are a couple of latest images as well as the original image of the finished project.
     
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    I thought we were going to see a cleaned, polished formerly drowned watch.
    I have such a drowning victim myself, and the drawback is the expense of buying a full balance and hairspring,which are usually the unsalvageable portion. Mine is still not finished because of that expense...
    God job on Re-homing an orphan. I hope you find use for the drowned movement.
     
  16. Dutto11

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    I am in the process of obtaining the necessary part to bring the rusty movement back to life and will post more pictures when I get there.

    Gary
     
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    Here are the images of the watch in progress of being fixed.
    The last one is of parts that were rusted or broken.
     
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    If indeed rust is present on all the parts shown, I'll sit and await the appreciation of your work.
     
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    Here is a list of things that were rusty, broken or missing.
    1. Dial Foot Screws (2) #649
    2. Lever Shipper (1) #679
    3. Lever Shipper Screw (1) #651
    4. Cannon Pinion (1) #636
    5. Escape Wheel Complete (1) #665
    6. Centre Wheel (1) # 662
    7. 4Th Wheel (1) #667
    8. Pallet Fork Complete (1) #644
    9. Staff (1) #659
    10. Barrel Arbour (1) #609
    11. Double Roller + Jewel Complete (1) #643
    12. Click Spring (1) #655
    As well as some more items that I found later
    13. Hour wheel
    14. Regulator.
    15. Third wheel.
    16. Dial and Hands.
    17. Spring setting cap.


    So as you can see by the parts list it will be a long haul and there maybe one or two more to add to the list as I start to put it back together.
     
  20. Dutto11

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    Hi All
    Well the day has come and I have finished the restoration of the rusty 992B.
    I finished putting it back together the other night and it went back together without a hitch and it start up after a bit of coke-sing but then as I started to fully wind it the main spring let go and that's where it stopped. I will be on the lookout for a mainspring but I have seen plenty of them on that auction sight.
    I have included a couple of pictures of the watch back in is original case with a new dial and hands.
    Thanks To Gary C. for all of his help in supplying the various parts needed to bring it back to life. I never looked at how much it cost as it was never about the money it was about bringing it back to life and to see if I could do it.
    Cheers
    Gary

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