New watch mail Horribly packed.

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  1. Jskirk

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    #1 Jskirk, Apr 28, 2020
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    So I have been waiting for this to arrive A Illinois PL model 61. It came today very poorly packed with a shattered crystal. I purchased this from etsy and have filed for a refund.
    The watch is running pretty well so far, the dial and movement match, the Penn Yan New York private label is cool though.
    Never seen a grade 61, is this a decent grade, pocketwatch database shows it as railroad grade?
    Thanks
    Jay

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  2. musicguy

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    Depending on what you paid for it I'd consider just getting a new crystal.
    Maybe they will pay the damage and pay for a crystal for you. If it was sent USPS priority it
    comes with $50 insurance.

    Rob
     
  3. Dave Coatsworth

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    It is an adjusted grade, so should have been OK for RR use when made.
     
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    Rob,
    Although this did come damaged I may just get the Crystal replaced. I will wait for the response from the seller if he is willing to offer any reparations.
    Jay
     
  5. Greg Frauenhoff

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    Dave,

    I disagree. When this mvt was made (early to mid 1890s) RR grade mvts were expected to be adjusted and so marked. Of the top of my head, I can't think of a RR during this time frame that approved a specific grade that was not actually marked "Adjusted".
    But that's just my opinion.

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    i'm inclined to agree with Greg...

    but i have a waltham keywind for the same Jeweler ... Hopkins, one of my 'first' watches.
     
  7. John Cote

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    I knew a huge collector from Indiana named Kurt Hopkins who collected as many of these as he could find. He had one on a chain in his vest pocket when he was laid to rest.

    And I agree with Greg that, even if some railroads might have accepted this into service at the time of its manufacture, the gr 61 was never intended as a RR grade watch. This is a very cool PL though.
     
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    John, how huge was he? :). I never met Kurt.
     
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    I share Greg's opinion. The Railroad Time Service Watch Rules of the early-to-mid 1890s that I've seen required at least adjustment to heat and cold (aka: adjustment to temperature). No marking of "adjusted" equaled not accepted into time service.
     
  10. John Cote

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    Well, he was a decent sized guy. I will tell a Curt (I think it was Curt with a C for Curtis...sorry) story. I know that some of you knew him. I think he had well over 5,000 pocket watches when he died. So, one day, years ago, I bought a very nice 18s Bunn Special hunter, PL for Palliard's Non Magnetic Watch Co. It was a beauty in a solid gold case and with a blazer movement. The only issue with the watch is that somewhere along the line someone had replaced the cap jewel and setting on the balance cock with a low color jewel in a composition setting. It stuck out like a sore thumb to me. I knew Curt had a lot of parts so I called him and a couple of days later the proper pink gold, high red colored ruby jewel in setting came to my house in the mail with an invoice for $4.00...FOUR FREAKIN' DOLLARS. I called Curt again and told him I wanted to pay him more. He basically called me a young whippersnaper and told me $4.00 was all he would take.
     
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    Great story. John
     
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    Nice private label, if it were me and I otherwise liked the watch and felt fair about the price I'd deal with the crystal and keep it rather than consider a return. That said I'd certainly contact the seller about the poor packaging and damage it resulted in, and if they are willing to make a reasonable concession for the crystal I'd take them up on it.

    I'm always amazed at how many people out there seem to think a padded envelope with no further protection is a good way to ship a watch (or movement, dial, etc.). A good sturdy box costs about 35 cents from Uline, not much of an investment to substantially reduce the potential for damage.

    Also one last thought, out of consideration for privacy it's probably best not to show a seller's name and address on a public message board.
     
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    I did not notice this before thanks for pointing it out. I removed them.

    Rob
     
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    Opps I guess I didn't see that or I would have cropped that out. Those were a couple of pictures I sent to him while reporting the damage, of which I have not had a response.
    I have decided to keep it and send it to someone to have a crystal installed. I didn't pay alot for it anyway. It is running pretty good, just a little fast.
    Thanks
    Jay
     
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    If it's just a crystal I keep a watch. If it was a damaged Staff or something - that's bad, but a crystal… meh… only super cool, vintage crystals are a real loss, most of tchem are just a shame, nothing more.
     

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