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harperscampminer

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Hello to all. I am a new member and have a question to ask. I searched as best I could (being new) for any information on Illinois watches with dual minute hands. I understand that dual hour hands are for 2 time zones but what about dual minute? I did come across some information from a previous post that asked if the dual minute hands were adjustable, mine are not. They appear to be mounted solidly exactly 15 minutes apart with the red hand leading the dark blue.
My watch is an Illinois 18 size circa 1894 serial number 1196495 lever set sidewinder.
I have searched the web with no luck so I am hoping one of you folks could lead me in the right direction.:confused:

Thanks in advance,

Ian
 

terry hall

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can you post an image of your minute hands?

this is a first for me....

and welcome to the site.
 

harperscampminer

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Just an addition to my original post. As they say a picture is worth a thousand worth so here are a couple. Sorry about the pics but thats a phone camera.
As well can anyone give me anymore details about this watch from the serial number 1196495. All I can find is the approximate date of manufacture.

Thanks,

Ian 86030.jpg 86031.jpg
 

Bill Manders

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Welcome,
according to the Illinois Encyclopedia by the serial number it is:
18 size, L set, Hunter case, 11 jewel, Mdl 2 Grade 99, adjusted to temp and isonchronism, and about 10,500 made of this model.
Hope this helps, and hoefully I am reading this right,
Bill
 

harperscampminer

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Everyone
thanks for the welcome and for looking at this post.
Bill
Great info!!!!! looks like the case is the same as well as it is a hunter case.
Any ideas where I can find the info on the model and grade?

Ian
 

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Hi Ian:

You'll find a link to an 1887 catalog page that has a brief description of the grade No. 99, and where you can compare it to other Illinois 18-size movements, in the References section of the Illinois Watch Company Encyclopedia article.

If you tell us the markings stamped inside the back of the watch case (or post a picture of them), we may to be able to tell you something about it. You can ignore any "hand-scratched" characters, they're watch repairers' marks.

Good luck,
 

harperscampminer

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Kent thanks for the reference.
As I can't get a good picture I'll try to describe the case markings.
Starting from left to right. One side has an arm and hammer then 1842 over the word COIN then what looks like a capitol D.
Under that in a slight curve are the numbers 74739.

Thanks Ian
 

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Wulll back to the subject at hand... :eek:

No, I have not seen a set of 'time zone' minute hands.... but your image certainly shows an interesting feature there....

anyone? I miss Bernie... he would have loved this.... ;)

I have no idea 'why' these would be this way.... anyone?
 

harperscampminer

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Similar in that they are both arm and hammers but there are differences, different arm bend, longer hammer and no triangle as in the example.
Could that just be difference in the basic design?

Ian
 

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Really grasping at the straws here, but perhaps to differentiate between "God's Time" and "RR Time"?

Of course, the difference between the two would vary according to longitude of the city in which the watch was used.

Like I said, it's a complete shot in the dark, but it's what I thought of when considering two different minute hands.
 

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My guess is that the duplicate minute hand is a one-off added by the owner. I don't even know, but is it possible to add a further hand to a standard pinion?

And if so, my suggestion is that it belonged to a railroad conductor, and when his train arrived at a station, where it would stop for 15 minutes, he could read off the time it was going to depart.

:)
 

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harperscampminer;536958 said:
Similar in that they are both arm and hammers but there are differences, different arm bend, longer hammer and no triangle as in the example.
Could that just be difference in the basic design?

Ian
Not likely. It's a trade mark with which I'm unfamiliar - Sorry!
 

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MartyR;536988 said:
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And if so, my suggestion is that it belonged to a railroad conductor, and when his train arrived at a station, where it would stop for 15 minutes, he could read off the time it was going to depart.

:)
I've got serious doubts that a watch having this confusing hand arrangement would be permitted to enter or remain in railroad time service.
 

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The interval is about right for urban rail service. I'd wager that the hands were made to suit an individual, not as policy for any rail line. City rail service standards were more relaxed and familiar. Interstate rail systems would've relied on longer intervals to handle baggage, replenish consumables, etc. How refreshing to finally have a post that has everyone guessing! Thank You.
 

Brian C.

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Bratdaddy, everybody guessing until my reply.;):}:) I think Marty was the closest. I believe the owner had the hands made up to time some machinery they were running. An opperation that took 15 minutes to complete.
 

harperscampminer

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Hey guys some great theories there.
As no-one seems to know about dual minute hands the theory that it is a one off makes sense.
Sure would be nice to know for sure!
Anyway keep the theories coming so I have a good tale to tell about it when showing it off! Only 4 handed watch in existance?:D

Thanks all

Ian
 

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