NEW LONG CASE CLOCK I PICKED UP TODAY 1830 WELSH? PLEASE HELP!

[Chris Klausen]

As always thank you in advance everyone. It's 82" Tall. It is also chain drive with one weight.

 

[novicetimekeeper]

Sheraton revival style decoration in an oak case with presumably mahogany crossbanding? Quite a mix there. Why Welsh? Unusual bell arrangent for a clock this late, was used on clocks made over a century before.

 

[Chris Klausen]

It didn't look like most of the English clocks I'd seen but more similar to Welsh clocks I'd seen in books. Do you agree with the 1830 date. Thanks. Oh dial is 12".

 

[novicetimekeeper]

The dial style of numerals and divisions fits with post 1830 certainly. The overall look of the dial is earlier but probably because it is a 30 hour and arched with no moon. I like it. I don't know much about Welsh styles of case.

 

[Chris Klausen]

Interesting, thank you. The case does seem to have the beginnings of that kind of 1830's short and stubby look.

 

[oldcat61]

Hope you aren't going to keep it in front of the baseboard heat & A/C unit.

 

[Chris Klausen]

No I have 18 of them so I'll figure out a place for it tomorrow

 

[jmclaugh]

Nice case, the dial is in very good condition and what looks to be a Chinese figure which I don't recall seeing on one of these before, very nice hands. The style of the dial suggests around 1830 is about right though some features are typically earlier. With no name it's hard to say if it's Welsh or not. I wouldn't think the weight is the original one.

 

[Chris Klausen]

Is the one weight, chain drive odd for this era clock? I can see some letters on the dial that I'm trying to decipher. My blacklight helps a little but they're really faint.. Thanks!

 

[novicetimekeeper]

Is the one weight, chain drive odd for this era clock? I can see some letters on the dial that I'm trying to decipher. My blacklight helps a little but they're really faint.. Thanks!

No, though it is toward the end of 30 hours, and most of them were not arched dial.

 

[Chris Klausen]

Thanks!

 

[jmclaugh]

Is the one weight, chain drive odd for this era clock?

No, chain has the the advantage over rope in not producing fluff and dust through wear.

 

[novicetimekeeper]

No, chain has the the advantage over rope in not producing fluff and dust through wear.

There have been conversion kits available for a long time, you can often see if a conversion has taken place but not always.

 

[Chris Klausen]

Thank you guys.

 

[Chris Klausen]

It looks like the name of the clockmaker or the town it was made is Herthly. The ultra violet light brought that much out.

 

[rmarkowitz1_cee4a1]

To me, a strange dial.

The rendering of the chinoiserie-type figures in the spandrels is quite crude and rudimentary. For me, they cross the line from "folky" to just not very good. And I'm a sucker for folky. Agreed it's quite subjective.

The thatched roof cottage is completely incongruous.

What is that sparkly material? Reminds me of "glitter" that can be used for crafts projects.

I admit to significant gaps in my knowledge about these clocks. I realize that some of the later dials may be, to borrow from the likes of Roberts and Loomes, "cheap" (I'll stop there as it gets more derogatory) but I wonder if the dial was altered/repainted in some way?

RM

 

[Chris Klausen]

Wow! Glad you like it.

 

[Mike Phelan]

It looks like the name of the clockmaker or the town it was made is Herthly. .

It's almost certainly someone's name, as there's no such town in Wales.
FWIW, "Herthly" doesn't sound right - looks like there's a vowel missing.

 

[novicetimekeeper]

I hadn't noticed the glitter, but the rest of the painting seems ok to me.The numerals were probably redone and the glitter applied at the same time to replace rubbed gilding.

 

[Chris Klausen]

You probably didn't notice the glitter because it's not really glitter. I've seen this kind of paint on many painted dial clocks. It made it easier to see. I have an 1835 Scottish clock with the same paint. Yes I agree the numbers have been re-done. Thanks again as always for weighing in!

 

[Tim Orr]

Good afternoon, Chris!

Am I seeing painted-over winding holes just below the date window on both sides? Might the movement be a replacement, or might the dial be a replacement for this clock? Or are those maybe artifacts from the dial feet?

Some 30-hour clocks had painted-on winding holes and squares, at least in this country. Made the clocks look like 8-day clocks, and thereby more expensive, I am told.

Best regards!

Tim Orr

 

[Chris Klausen]

Hi Tim thank you for taking the time! You're right that's where the dial feet are attached, no false plate. It's very common in this country as well to have hand painted winding holes to make it look like an 8 day clock. I have one from 1810 that is painted so well it looks so real!