NEW HAVEN CLOCK fan issue

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  1. John P

    John P Donor

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    I was hoping you guys could help me figure out what to do about the fan drive
    problem on this New Haven shelf clock.
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    What was in the space between those 2 small gears that would drive
    the fan?
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    john p
     
  2. wow

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    John, it looks like someone has changed the arbor. They either replaced it with the one in the photo or they removed the pinion and installed those two gears. It should have a lantern pinion with pins which mesh with the wheel. Unusual movement for me, so I could be totally wrong. Maybe someone else will shed more light.
     
  3. Dave T

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    Not sure this helps but here's a New Haven of a slightly different configuration. (Crusty old movement prior to cleaning) Looks like that arbor has been changed to me.

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  4. Dave T

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    Update, Just found a clock like yours on the net. Looks like yours is correct, but appears to be missing the fan.
    If you search for New Haven movements on the famous for sale site you can see it.
     
  5. R. Croswell

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    Search for, "Weird Antique NEW HAVEN Clock Movement" on that 'famous for sale site' shows one with the fan and that same soldered-on pinion.

    John, is it possible that you have the wrong arbor installed to line up with the fan pinion? Obviously one of the two arbors shown is incorrect.

    RC
     
  6. wow

    wow Registered User

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    So, RC, I looked at the one on the web and I still don't understand why there are two gears on the fly arbor. Any idea?
     
  7. Willie X

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    Someone's strange idea for a repair. Need to find a replacement assembly.
    Willie X
     
  8. David S

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    How about making a new lantern pinion? Seems like an interesting challenge.

    David
     
  9. wow

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    I would just put another fly and arbor on from my bone pile. I still don't understand the two gears posted by the OP and the same two shown in the photo on eBay. Not a coincidence.
     
  10. Tinker Dwight

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    I get the feeling it was an attempt to create a lantern
    pinion. One could solder trunnions pins between the leaves
    of the pinions.
    Just a guess.
    Tinker Dwight
     
  11. Jasons34

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    Just my opinion but looking at the one on that selling site makes me think that the one closest to the fly is to prevent the fly from being moved closer to that other gear. That fly has notches in it so it misses nearby gears but if that fly was able to slide even closer to the gear than the fly would most likely hit something then. That is my only thought as to why the 2 gears basically next to each other
     
  12. Dave T

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    Jason, That makes a lot of sense to me too. Not sure why they would use a gear as a stop for the arbor, but it would work, (to keep the fan from sliding). A lot of arbors have a notch in it to provide a lock to hold the fan. But this one doesn't.
     
  13. shutterbug

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    I wonder if the two gears are supposed to be one, and they are just separated. Odd configuration though. I've never seen one with gears.
     
  14. wow

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    I thought about that too, Shutt, but makes no sense why they would put two together. Why not just one wide one. If John's photos were the only photos we had, I would say it has to be a changed arbor. But....since the one showed up on eBay with the same set-up, it must have been a factory thing. Crazy!!!
     
  15. Willie X

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    Maybe it's the same movement.
    Willie X
     
  16. Tinker Dwight

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    Are both pinions the same size?
    The one on evil bay has the outer pinion engaged.
    Are both pinions soldered? It looks like the inner one is.

    I don't think the one on evil bay will work. The fan has
    cutouts to clear the lower lantern pinion.
    When out of the notch like that it will hit.
    Tinker Dwight
     
  17. David S

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    Can someone pm me with the link to the one on ebay? I searched and can't find anything close.

    David
     
  18. Dave T

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    Did some more searching. If you search for "old orginal New Haven w/1 hammer" you can see the same movement with the lantern pinion and the notched fan. This appears to be the way it came from the factory.
    I think the 'weird antique new haven' has had modification, same as the one we're discussing here. Odd that two movements have has the same modification though.
     
  19. David S

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    thanks Tinker but that item number didn't register on ebay. Typo? or I just don't use ebay enough.

    David
     
  20. David S

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    Well Tinker I have tried the item number and skyped my son in law to try and we can't get any joy with that item number. Not sure if it is because we are in canada or what. I assume we are talking about ebay and not craigslist or...?

    Hate this cat and mouse game that these site rules put us through.. We are an educational site and trying to help each other and attempting to reference things that are on other sites. But we have to keep it covert so that in the future folks reading this thread won't have a clue....Opps did I just say this.. :(

    David
     
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