New Edition of Daniels Watchmaking

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  1. Dr. Jon

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    Has anyone seen the new edition of Daniels Watchmaking. Some sources report that it will be out at teh end of this month.

    Is it different from the previous edition? and, if so how?
     
  2. Dr. Jon

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    I saw a blurb on the new edition on the Simonim site which states that it has 462 pages (compared with 420 for the previous edition). The French Edition is 420 pages so it is still not clear, at least to me, that there is new material in the new edition.

    Does anyone know?
     
  3. beorn

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    When I first saw this thread I took a look at what I could find online
    (which isn't much; I didn't post my findings then). My conclusion is
    that this new edition is simply a reprinting with minor corrections.
    The page count for "Watchmaking" is increasing from 460 to 462
    (see below; I think I checked the 460 page count for the current (previous)
    edition with the copy I own, which I can't find just now). I don't know
    what you could add in two pages other than errata or an extended index,
    or a maybe couple of new diagrams. Or we could all wait and see.

    There is a also new version of Daniels' "The Practical Watch Escapement"
    listed, due in August, although I don't see any edition information so perhaps
    this is just a straight reprint with a change of publisher.

    - Beorn Johnson

    ---------- The Practical Watch Escapement (all editions paperback):
    No publisher listed, 1994, revised printing 1997, 82 pages:
    No ISBN Numbers listed

    Philip Wilson Publishers, August 16th 2011, 82 pages:
    ISBN-13: 978-0856676871
    ISBN-10: 085667687X

    ---------- Watchmaking (all editions hardcover):
    Sotheby (or "Sotheby Parke Bernet Publications"?), 448 pages, Feb 1982
    (also listed as 1981 and 1985):
    ISBN-13: 978-0856671500
    ISBN-10: 0856671509

    Original Philip Wilson Edition of Watchmaking, 460 pages, 2002
    (also listed as 2009, but that must be a mistake or perhaps a
    re-printing?)
    ISBN-13: 978-0856674976
    ISBN-10: 0856674974

    New Philip Wilson "Revised Edition", 462 pages, June 2011:
    ISBN-13: 978-0856676796
    ISBN-10: 0856676799
     
  4. Fortunat Mueller-Maerki

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    I have seen, actually in Tony SImonins shop, copies of the new editions of
    Daniels watchmaking both in French and in ENglish. So the book is out and available

    As far as I can tell the content is unchanged from the earlier editions.
     
  5. Martin Burnett

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    Folk's,

    I just want to pass the word that George Daniels has finally reissued his book on Watch Making. You can buy on Amazon.com for around 64 dollars. Otherwise you can go on ebay or other sites and pay up to three times that much.

    Cheers
    Martin Burnett
    Charleston, SC
     
  6. Ralph B

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    Martin's on to it.

    If you want to compare prices here's the place to go.
    Some "free postage" offers only mean within that country so you need to check.
    Also these prices are NZ$ but the comparisons are still valid.( Somewhere in there you'll be able to change the currency).
    Sorry, can't do it all for you....:)

    http://www.pricetag.co.nz/book/9780856677045/

    Cheers
    Ralph B.
     
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    Folk's,

    I have had mine on order for over a year. Twice Amazon rescheduled the delivery date. But I got notified that mine will be delivered on Friday! I suspect that they will be bought in mass by people who will set them aside and sell them later on other outlets. So spread the word to the repair people that the book is out!

    Cheers
    Martin
     
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    Same here. Been waiting over a year now and it had been delayed over and over. The proce also kept creaping up and I thought it woudl eventually end up in the hundreds as for the used ones. Well, it didn't and I now also received confirmation that is is on its way:Party:

    Regards
    Bernt
     
  9. RON in PA

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    I actually received my copy from Amazon today, 2011 edition.
     
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    Great book. However, the publisher could have saved quite a bit of paper if the margins were not so wide. I generally don't write in good books but am tempted with all that white space.
     
  11. richiec

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    Ordered mine yesterday, should be here next week, 61.+ plus shipping from Amazon.
     
  12. Bratdaddy@mac.com

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    That would make your copy much more valuable. Not that I'm hoping it becomes available during my lifetime.
     
  13. richiec

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    After a precursory examination, this book is wonderful, much more easily understood than Fried. Yeah, the margins are wide but the print is easily readible. Thanks for the heads up on this book. I don't know whether I would write in the margins but the temptation is there.
     
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    After thinking about it, maybe the page size and 'added' white space does make it easier to read. It is staraight forward and easy to comprehend. And, 64 or 66 bucks is reasonable to pay for a hard bound reference these days.
     
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    I think that the reason for the wide margins has to do with the fact that many pages have sidebar illustrations. I suppose that the margins allow for a more consistent look from page to page. They do make for a lot of wasted space, though.

    Like you said, Darrah, it's a heck of a bargain for sixty some bucks.
     
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    Hello,

    My copy has finally arrived, after more than a year of waiting. Very exciting!

    Paging through it, it seems to be a really nice book with good information.
    Right now, mine is too precious to use in the workshop.
    Printed in China.

    Regards
    Bernt
     
  17. richiec

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    I agree, too nice to place on the bench in the workshop.
     
  18. gruesome

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    Is anybody aware of a collection of errata for previous editions of this book, or a discussion page somewhere?
    I'm asking because I am collecting typos, undefined quantities in equations, and other questions as I'm working my way through it, and it would be great to hear from other people and see what they have found, so we don't have to all stumble over the same roadblocks.
    The editor (David Hawkins at Philip Wilson) is looking into the possibility of putting an errata page online, but for more general questions of understanding a discussion forum (like this?) might be more appropriate. Is there a forum already somewhere?
     
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    It might be a while before the publishers get an errata page going.
    In the meantime, here is my (most certainly incomplete) list so far. If anybody knows the answers to my questions for pages 32, 124, 127 and 287, please let me know!


    Plate II, caption of top left figure: 'escapement'
    Plate XVII: instead of '0.15**-8' read '1.5 x 10**-8' (1.5 times 10 to the power of minus 8); other numbers are ok
    page 25, first line, referring to p. 24, figure 20: 'line 6' should be 'line B'
    p.32, middle: 'It should be noted... is withdrawn' ? I think one of
    the nouns in this sentence has been replaced by another, changing the
    meaning.
    p.37, last line: 'frame' should be 'flame'.
    p.101, first sentence: 'is always greater' add: 'than one'.
    p.101, end of 2nd paragraph: '...the ratio of the numbers to the ratio
    of the diameters must be maintained': remove the second 'the ratio of', or
    change to '...the ratio of the numbers must remain equal to the ratio
    of the diameters'.
    p.109, table 'British Standard 978 Part 2' (=figure 203 ?):
    'horizontal line' should be 'column'; 'column' should be 'row' (each
    occurs twice).
    p.117, last line: 0.25 x 3.142 / 2 (not 8) = 0.39275
    p.124, 'N + 2.7 X M = 14.5mm FD' : What is 'N' ? It's not defined
    anywhere nearby; ditto for 2.7; where is that number coming from?
    p.125, caption 226, and page 126, caption 229: 'bank' should be 'blank' .
    p.127, hole diameter ( t - 1.4 ) x M : what is 't' ? On page 116 't'
    is the number of pinion leaves, but I don't think that is meant here.
    p.231, fig. 478: 'Pressure path of pivoted detent'
    p.287, bottom: 'to entre pinion' should be 'to the centre pinion', or 'to either pinion' ?
    p.304, first line of last paragraph: 'plug gauge'
     
  20. richiec

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    Way too much time on your hands, huh. I guess when you read enough technical publicatins, you grow numb to errors and make your own way.
     
  21. gruesome

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    Didn't see your reply until now. The simple typos one can read around, but the lost parameters/equations are another issue. I doubt I'll get an answer from the publisher. Somebody should have proofread it while Daniels was alive. :(
    Since you apparently had no problems, would you mind posting some of the answers?
     
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    Hey Gruesome,

    Add to your note on plate XVII sidereal/mean solar gear ratio calculation - the totals are attributed to the wrong trains... It should read 16,224.15 vibrations for the sidereal train, and 16,268.571 for solar mean.

    Btw my suggestions for your questions...

    Pg 124
    N= number if teeth. This is the outside diameter wheel calculation formula that is an accepted approximation based on a 45 tooth/7 pinion excerpt of the BS 978. Refer Malcolm Wilds book for full details of how 2.7 is achieved or http://www.ppthornton.com/pdf/ppthornton_brochure_2012.pdf for quick verification.

    Pg 127
    I think 't' is teeth. I interpret it to be something that he found through experience gave a good compromise between the seating and the remaining metal available to rivet.

    ... But I could be wrong!

    Cheers.
     

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