Please ID this Clock American German Alarm $ New clocks for 20 dollars

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  1. Salsagev

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    I just got 7 clocks for 20 dollars including some random tools and parts. Could anybody identify some of these clocks? The kitchen parlor clock has a new haven label in the back. The alarm clock is blurry but it is a ingersoll type s. I don’t know what the round clock is but it has a pearl inlay. The cuckoo clocks are not working. I don’t know what tools I picked up but it did come with some clock hands. Thanks.

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  2. Isaac

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    The Cuckoo clocks are of German make, and the pearl inlay clock is most likely french.
     
  3. JTD

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    Yes, the pearl inlay is French and called oeil-de-boeuf. They are nice clocks and usually have good quality movements with thick plates. The strike, however, is often a bit 'tinny'.

    The cuckoo in pic #3 plays Wiener Blut, which makes a nice change from some of the tunes you get on these clocks.

    For $20 you did very well.

    JTD
     
  4. Salsagev

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    Thanks, what would be the value of these things?
     
  5. JTD

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    Well, it would be easier to estimate if we knew if the clocks are working and/or if they are complete.

    For instance, the parlor clock seems to have a calendar dial but no calendar hand. Has the French clock got its complete movement?

    Otherwise we are just guessing completely in the dark, which will not be much help to you.

    JTD
     
  6. TEACLOCKS

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    oeil-de-boeuf
    Isn't also called a picture frame clock :???:??
     
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    I have one. Some call it a Baker's clock.
     
  8. Les harland

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    $20 would get between three and four pints of beer in the UK
    The UK pint is Imperial measue ie 20 fluid oz
    The US pint is 16 fluid oz
     
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    by far the best deal there is the ox-eye french clock. in my opinion, that one is certainly worth restoring and easily worth what the others are combined.

    there are some interesting things in that box of tools. i wouldn't mind seeing better pictures of what you have there.
     
  10. JTD

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    I would certainly agree with Brian's suggestion, that is by far the best clock.

    JTD
     
  11. Salsagev

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    Thanks for the suggestion. Sorry for the wait but I was having a hard time getting in the new website so I looked in my history for the old website. I will get pictures later today as it is at my dads house. I know there is like some hard black crud In the bottom of the case. There is vermin carcasses in the glass. When I got it, it was in the basement and dusty. I did get the other lot full of stuff for another 20 dollars. I will show that later. Thanks.
     
  12. Salsagev

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    Here are some detailed photos...
    The cuckoo clocks:
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    The bakers clocks: this does not work and I don’t have a key size for this. This has lots of wear and soot on it. C5447AE4-06C7-4805-9F34-1027C7DB5A3D.jpeg D342EB4E-4924-4062-A517-9B5FD7BF5C87.jpeg 45561FDF-163E-425D-A3DB-CAB51BECA649.jpeg CD911422-4CCE-4B98-B59F-4F94794F4C0F.jpeg 8FB0A45F-FC46-4FE4-B444-68B7DC22F8B9.jpeg
    The calendar clock. The chime works but the clocks is horridly dirty. 3927DE2B-FF59-4B10-A719-9E205914F051.jpeg 5A988909-5F64-44ED-B8CF-EEB48AF339A5.jpeg
    Here’s the tools: 696DCC64-828A-49FF-B3CC-7A70B3ABBC25.jpeg 0C89869E-2C1C-4DA8-874A-06BA3DA6381D.jpeg
    Here’s the other lot for 20 bucks: 0C7E1C8D-F997-4867-AD89-600DB0A35E9D.jpeg 594EBB4B-BF11-4D21-9122-F23D79B0C0F6.jpeg 81F62656-CEDC-4A6D-A61D-4B73A5B20897.jpeg
     
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    For forty bucks you did good. You have a split stake in that box of tools and some broaches these will come in handy. The cuckoos are pretty common. The blue clock with wind mills is called is a Delft clock.
     
  15. Salsagev

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    Thanks for that info on the delft clock. That is missing the back cover, where can I find that? There is a large empty case pic 1, last two, can I have a little Info and value on that? There is a extension thing that comes with it. I attached more pics of that too. What are the alarm clocks worth? Is the kitchen clock worth cleaning because it’s in the most disgusting case ever.

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  16. rmarkowitz1_cee4a1

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    What are your goals?

    Where you looking for parts? Tools? Projects?

    In the current market, for the same amount of $$ I have found nice clean intact genuinely antique clocks that yes, needed some TLC so they provided that aspect of the hobby. No, not piles of stuff. American stuff which may not be your to your liking.

    I guess I'm not going to be particularly congratulatory.

    RM.
     
  17. Steven Thornberry

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    This young man is 13 years old. Encouragement and constructive suggestions are probably more helpful than sarcasm.
     
  18. Salsagev

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    My goals is to learn clock repair hobby and maybe get some money back so it’s not just loss.
    I am looking for tools along with some clocks that might be unique.
    what do you mean by this?
    what are you trying to imply?
     
  19. rmarkowitz1_cee4a1

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    I was curious, not being sarcastic.

    Good. Sounds like you have thought about goals that are reasonable in terms of skills you would like to develop and collecting goals.

    I stand by my statement that you can find better stuff for not a lot more $$. For example, an ogee clock has a rugged simple movement that is great place to start and if largely intact, you'll have an attractive genuinely antique clock that will look good and will last another 100 plus years. Those cheap cuckoos won't.

    It seemed that most of the clocks you chose were foreign. That's fine. Seemed that your interests might be more in that realm.

    RE: the last statement. I think you can do better.

    RM
     
  20. Salsagev

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    I never was a big fan of cuckoos but I wasn’t really choosing because that’s what they had. I can’t resist a deal like that.
    Not to be mean but why was this significant? I did get a 40 dollar ogee that’s quite large. Is it supposed to be that large? It is a Jerome and co. What’s that worth? So what your saying is that the cuckoos won’t last and are not genuinely antique? I just got this lot to experience and have the feeling of collecting. I just don’t want to spend 1000+ in tools.

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    #21 brian fisher, May 29, 2020
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    don't worry young man. you did just fine for your first clocks. when i started a few years ago, my only criteria was cheap and old. now days, with a little experience under my belt, i am a lot pickier about the examples i choose. as your collection grows, you probably will be too.

    those cuckoos are great to learn on. you can tear them apart and learn all about the mechanisms and so forth. as bob alludes, they honestly have very little value, but i really don't see that as being the point here. they are kind of like "souvenir shop" trinkets that people often brought back with them as a remembrance of holiday in Germany. use them as a learning experience. when you are done with them, either sell them for a few bucks at a garage sale, donate them to goodwill, or toss them in the bin. either way, you have basically nothing invested from a monetary standpoint and that is perfectly ok.

    you can't start out with an E Howard astronomical regulator. everything would simply be downhill from there.
     
  22. Salsagev

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    Right now, my criteria is “different” meaning I want a variation of brands and types of clocks. It means I don’t want 10 Korean clocks or 5 o.g clocks. I would rather have one of each or at least had my hands on on.
    Are Some mid century to modern quite valuable? Some say they got it for 100 and now it’s worth 800+. Is this true? Are cuckoos “overrated”? New ones are cheap? What happened with the craftsmanship of the cuckoos? Were they like easy to make or manufactured cheap?


    Sounds expensive.

    What about the other clock(s) and cases? What should I know about them? There is a weird (or I never seen) clock movement too.

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  23. Isaac

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    That's a Seth Thomas time only clock, with dual mainsprings. You can find them on commercial clocks (time recorders, etc).
     
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    Can I do anything with it?
     
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    Overall, I agree with what has been more gently stated.

    When I started now > 30 years ago, I was so fortunate to be getting advice from folks I would describe as “the giants”.

    I still appreciate their honest opinions. It was & is invaluable. I listen & incorporate their advice as I plot my own course.

    It’s part of the learning process, not “sarcasm” as ironically characterized by one who seems to relish finding every little fault or infraction.

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    Nothing wrong with this approach. I suspect that most collectors start this way. When the clock bug hits, many new collectors like all types of clocks and want to experience as many, various types of clocks as possible. I certainly followed in this direction.

    As time goes on, you may find yourself becoming more focused on a type of clock, whether it be style or brand or nationality or time period or functionality (chiming, for example). In the interim, there is nothing wrong with experiencing a wide array of clocks. And, you may find that you enjoy an eclectic collection!

    Regards.
     
  27. brian fisher

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    oh, there are extremely valuable cuckoo clocks out there. some are worth many thousands of dollars.

    like you, my collection is not specialized but i have gotten to the point where i only try to collect only one or two fairly high end versions of a species. eg: a couple nice jeweler's regulators, a couple nice chiming tube hall clocks, one or two nice wall regulators, a couple ships clocks, a nice crystal regulator.....you get the idea. i just don't have space in the house for hundreds of clocks as much as i would love to own them....and...well, i also have a wife that doesn't like them quite as much as i do.
     
  28. Salsagev

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    Thanks for the comments. Is there anything else I should know about the stuff I got? What would I do with the Seth Thomas movement? Can I have a little info and value on that case?
     
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    We're not supposed to ask about value in the general clock forum. I think there's a section for value inquiries, but really, the value is what somebody will pay for it.

    Anyway, if you really want to get rid of a movement, I've seen a lot of movements listed on Ebay- things like Sessions bim-bam early 20th century or Seth Thomas 89C- but that one is pretty specialized and you might have a hard time selling it- you have to find the person who is restoring the clock that it fits, and whose movement is so worn out he can't repair it. Which is unlikely- anyone who takes on the restoration of such an unusual clock will probably be able to fix any of its movement problems. Or somebody who has the case from which a movement was extracted, which is even more unlikely. My advice- keep it and maybe 20 years from now you can trade it to one of the members here for something you really want.
     
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    Carl,

    That rule was changed a few weeks ago.

    Valuations may now be requested in any forum.

    Regards.
     
  31. Steven Thornberry

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    Our rules have recently changed to allow discussions of values in any forum. The specific value forums have been removed.
     
  32. Kevin W.

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    Pretty sure you could sell your Seth Thomas movement, if the price was right for a buyer. I would keep it and service it later. Then you would have a serviced movement you could sell.
     
  33. Salsagev

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    What would two springs do? At first I thought it was a clock tower movement.
     
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    If its a recorder movement, it powers a punch. Like when employees come to work and they use a punch card. The main springs are thicker than regular and very strong.
     
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    What should I know of the cases?
     
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    Quite an interesting variety of items. In my opinion you did very well on your purchase. For instance, in one picture I saw a tailstock for a watchmakers lathe. Could be Marshall, Peerless, for instance:
    WW Style 8mm Tailstock for Watchmaker Lathe | eBay

    Not sure you got the rest of it but doesn't matter.
    If you start searching sold items on ebay individually, you can get a good idea of the worth of most of your stuff.
    For $40 several of the items individually are worth that.
     
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    I’m quite intrigued by the large tall case. It has a label I can’t quite identify. I think the end of bury means Waterbury?

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  38. JTD

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    Yes, you are quite right, it is the Waterbury Clock Company and the clock itself was the 'Augusta' model, as you can see on the label.

    If you google Waterbury Augusta Clock you can see the complete clock.

    JTD
     
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    Wow, this is a collectible model it appears and worth 1-2000 complete? I still don’t understand the extra piece that came with it. Any ideas on that? Is there any chance I could find the 21 movement?
     
  40. JTD

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    Could you please explain or post a photo of the 'extra piece that came with it'? I am not quite sure what you are referring to.

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    It’s photo 3. It’s like an extension or replacement.
     
  42. JTD

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    I'm sorry, you have so many different clocks and photos here that I cannot find the piece you are referring to. Perhaps you could post a photo just of that piece.

    JTD
     
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    Here’s the extension.

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  44. JTD

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    Thanks for posting the photo. It looks like the lower part of the case of a Waterbury Augusta.

    I don't think this is part of the Augusta case you have, because that seems to have the lower part.

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    Why there it be extra?
     
  46. JTD

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    It looks the same because it is from the same model clock. It is separate because the top piece is missing.

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    Is that worth anything?
     
  48. JTD

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    Half a clock case, with nothing else, well, no, not worth anything useful unless you particularly needed it.

    Put it on ebay and see if anyone bids.

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    Could I find the movement for the other case?
     
  50. JTD

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    Well, anything's possible. One might come up on E-Bay, but you could have a long wait. In the meantime you might like to try restoring the case - from what little I can see, there seems be quite a lot of missing/damaged pieces. It would be good practice in case restoration and you'd have a nice case against the day when the movement turns up.

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