$ New clocks for 130$ part 2

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This is the second part of my finds for 130 dollars. Please read:$ - New clocks for 130$ Part 1 .
Opinions or advice is appreciated. Thanks.

first 4 pics: herchede
Next 3: Seth Thomas banjo C85645A8-B3FF-4275-AC1B-A25F95F795D7.jpeg
Next 3: unknown mantle clock. Please identify.

Next 3: weight driven Howard miller clock

Next 3: Barwick calendar clock. Sorry for Blurry photo.

Last 4: Junghans clock.
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First 4: ansonia unknown.
Next 3: USA regulator company
Last 2: blurry pic of Seth Thomas Plymouth mantle clock.

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The Herschede Model 20 would be the most collectible out of these IMHO, although it looks to need extensive work to bring it back to life. It does look like the chime rod gong is inside the Junghans case, but it looks to be missing a rod (these are screwed in rods, which can be replaced).

The unknown mantle clock could be by HAC, but that's just my guess.

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I agree the Herschede would be the most desirable out of all clocks shown in this thread. New chime rod production is still a 'work in progress' so you may use that extra time to remove the existing rods in preparation for a new set. The rod blocks on the Model 20s tend to be a very tight fit so I would not be surprised if the original rods got mangled due to poor handling from a previous owner.
Spare chime blocks on eBay may turn up in the meantime but I find that spare chime blocks tend to get mangled in transit, and it's better for skill-building to tune or install a proper set of new rods.
 

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The Herschede Model 20 would be the most collectible out of these IMHO
Is this a rare(er) clock? Is any of the other clocks worth awhile? I’m kind of interested in the Junghans clock since it has two very heavy gongs. Thanks.
 

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random thoughts:

none of what you've purchased is going to be worth much to most of the people here, unless someone needs spare parts from a specific model.

similar clocks are available all the time on craigslist and eBay for pretty cheap... and don't really sell at those prices.

on the other hand, any reasonable banjo clock (i.e., not more modern seth thomas brookfield)... even with a replaced weight, for example, is going to maintain its value of $400 and up, depending.

what you're buying is good for learning, but not so much for profit. i would think it would be a struggle to break even on what you just purchased, although you might get close by selling the books. if you're really interested in profiting off of buying and selling clocks, study the auction sites. pick some classic types and see how they've done over the last few years, which ones get the most bids, etc. those will be the one people want. if people want them, they'll pay for them.

'they', btw, means collectors. most collectors are more informed shoppers than you, as you're still learning. they know what clocks are desirable, which ones hold their value, and which ones they want. korean clocks are not going to be high on the list. you MIGHT be able to sell one or two to someone who likes the look, but the case would have to be clean and the clock would need to be running.

lastly, $55 is way too cheap for a seth thomas... either something was wrong with it or the people didn't know what they had. if it were a real ST2 and me, i would tell them they could get a lot more for it on ebay but would have to deal with shipping (approx. $100) and the fact that the buyer could return it if they didn't like it and it could be a big hassle... and offer them at least a few hundred bucks.... but i would give them a more informed and fair choice. or, if i thought the price was too low i would offer them more in my initial email... "hi, you're asking $200... it's worth more, i'll give you $300 if i can pick it up today".
 

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none of what you've purchased is going to be worth much to most of the people here, unless someone needs spare parts from a specific model.
if you're really interested in profiting off of buying and selling clocks, study the auction sites. pick some classic types and see how they've done over the last few years, which ones get the most bids, etc. those will be the one people want. if people want them, they'll pay for them.
what you're buying is good for learning, but not so much for profit.
'they', btw, means collectors. most collectors are more informed shoppers than you, as you're still learning. they know what clocks are desirable, which ones hold their value, and which ones they want. korean clocks are not going to be high on the list.
All good advice.

BTW, your Junghans movement was made in the first half of 1924.

Regards.
 

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what you're buying is good for learning, but not so much for profit
Please note that when I mean selling, I don’t imply I want to make money off of this hobby. But I need to make money back or it will be money down the drain. I just wanted to clear that up. Thanks for the advice. For 130$ for local pickup, plus 3 books and 13 clocks, I would say 8 dollar per clock. I could maybe sell each Korean clock for 35 dollars. Thanks.
 

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Please note that when I mean selling, I don’t imply I want to make money off of this hobby. But I need to make money back or it will be money down the drain. I just wanted to clear that up. Thanks for the advice. For 130$ for local pickup, plus 3 books and 13 clocks, I would say 8 dollar per clock. I could maybe sell each Korean clock for 35 dollars. Thanks.
As Bruce pointed out, not many of these clocks are going to be top-sellers in collectors circles. AFAIK there are many more collectors interested in time-only clocks than chiming clocks. If you fix up the Herschede completely, I'd say you could get $200-400 for it, but a clock is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. The Junghans most likely strikes on a dual-gong "Wald-Gong" or "Kaiser-Gong" which should have a great tone.

Regards.
 

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if you can get $40 for any of those clocks, you'll be $40 ahead of my expectations.

sorry, but asked and answered. there is nothing there remotely interesting to me, and i'm not even one of the real collectors here.

you can keep asking and hoping, but nothing you've presented speaks to what the majority of collectors and clock fanatics here are looking for.

if you're collecting for you, great... follow your passion and collect what you want.

if you're collecting to buy and sell and make money... probably don't want to quit your day job (figuratively speaking).

what are your goals here?
 

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How about the bar wick clock?
I agree with Bruce - there's not much you can get from these clocks in general as they are currently. Fixing them up to be more presentable would add value, but it'll take tons of effort to do so (and more effort does not always equal more money).
 

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if you can get $40 for any of those clocks, you'll be $40 ahead of my expectations.
I have sold a Korean clock for 30
sorry, but asked and answered. there is nothing there remotely interesting to me, and i'm not even one of the real collectors here.
i see you don’t like modern clocks and trust me, I don’t too.
you can keep asking and hoping, but nothing you've presented speaks to what the majority of collectors and clock fanatics here are looking for.
Are you referring to this thread or all the past threads I have?
if you're collecting to buy and sell and make money... probably don't want to quit your day job (figuratively speaking).
Not what i want to do here. Just trying to sell to make some money back.
what are your goals here?
I’m not selling as is of course. I want to learn to fix these clocks I’m collecting and then sell to gain some money back but necessarily make it profitable.
 

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I want to learn to fix these clocks I’m collecting and then sell to gain some money back but necessarily make it profitable.
Part of the confusion, I believe, is the use of the word "collecting".

When most of us think of collecting, we do not think in terms of buying, learning to repair and then reselling with the hopes of at least breaking even.

Maybe "learning, refurbishing and reselling" best describes your objectives.

If so, then what you are doing makes sense.

How do you feel your learning curve is progressing?

Regards.

P.S. Keep in mind that you might not break even in all situations. If you can afford to lose some $$, then you might want to chalk it up to the price you need to pay for learning.:)
 

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Any information on the USA regulator clock?
 

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I think the USA Regulator is Japanese. But the logo on the dial does not match the one inside on the back panel. Alpha Logos Alpha Logos
Might be a marriage of parts. Still a decent looking clock.
 

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Opinions or advice is appreciated. Thanks.
1. From here on in, post only one clock per thread. More than one as in this thread can elicit replies that become jumbled and confusing to follow.

2. Correctly organize your pictures. The ones you show here do not all seem to be in the order you say they are.

3. Take clear pictures of the whole clock and movement. Too many of your pictures are blurred or show only parts of clocks (or both).

We cannot help you very well unless you cooperate with us in this regard.
 

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There is a match to the TO(or OT) logo in the Japanese clock logo list, but it is shown as 'Unknown'.

I can't see the logo on the dial, it is too blurred and out of focus.

JTD
 

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speaking only for myself...

i don't want to half to dig through your posts to figure out which clock you're talking about. in your last question, you asked about 'the usa regulator'... except i didn't see anything made in the usa except the seth thomas brookfield.

i don't want to review photos of multiple clocks... and would rather see good (and informative) photos of one clock. the photo of the dial on your 'usa' clock might be the best you have at the moment, but it's really not good enough... especially since you could just open the bezel and take a photo that reveals what's written, instead of people having to ask.

i have to confess that i get frustrated with your posts because of these issues. i WANT to help, i TRY to help, but i feel like you're making it harder rather than easier for people to do so.

for best results:

- one clock per thread
- include large clear photos of dial, hands, case, movement, pendulum and weights (if applicable)... if you don't have them yet, wait until you do

btw... where it say 'regulator clock company usa'? it lies. :)
 
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we could already see that logo, but thanks.

we couldn't see the 'regulator clock company usa' on the lower part of the dial... and had to ask. we shouldn't have had too.

you need to get your photos together and present as one clear collection rather than piece mealing one at a time.... or you will lose the good will of those trying to help. again, when posting, make it easier for people when you're asking for their time rather than harder.

and, your overall questions have been asked and answered: there is nothing there worth much, unless you can actually sell them and prove us wrong.

the value is in 1) how much you like and appreciate them, and 2) what do you get out of them? (i.e., the thrill of purchasing? learning to work on them? rescuing from the dumpster? profit? all of the above?)
 

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speaking only for myself...

i don't want to half to dig through your posts to figure out which clock you're talking about. in your last question, you asked about 'the usa regulator'... except i didn't see anything made in the usa except the seth thomas brookfield.

i don't want to review photos of multiple clocks... and would rather see good (and informative) photos of one clock. the photo of the dial on your 'usa' clock might be the best you have at the moment, but it's really not good enough... especially since you could just open the bezel and take a photo that reveals what's written, instead of people having to ask.

i have to confess that i get frustrated with your posts because of these issues. i WANT to help, i TRY to help, but i feel like you're making it harder rather than easier for people to do so.

for best results:

- one clock per thread
- include large clear photos of dial, hands, case, movement, pendulum and weights (if applicable)... if you don't have them yet, wait until you do

btw... where it say 'regulator clock company usa'? it lies. :cool:
I will keep this in mind for future.
 

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one more thing... not trying to beat you up and definitely do NOT want to curb your enthusiasm!!!

i received very similar feedback when i started posting here, although i like to think i was (past tense?) known more for my dumb questions, as i typically get compliments on my photos (i spend a lot of time in photoshop every day for my work). o_O

look forward to your next find and thread. :)
 

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one more thing... not trying to beat you up and definitely do NOT want to curb your enthusiasm!!!

i received very similar feedback when i started posting here, although i like to think i was (past tense?) known more for my dumb questions, as i typically get compliments on my photos (i spend a lot of time in photoshop every day for my work). o_O

look forward to your next find and thread. :)
Good photos seem to elude many people - Craigslist is filled with high pixel-count inscrutable photos because people “zoom all the way in” - way closer than their camera can focus. :rolleyes:

I find that if I take a second to ask myself what I’m trying to make the picture show, that mental break slows me down enough to make sure my framing, focusing, and lighting actually accomplish what I’m after.

Salsagev- it has been fun to watch your excitement. I remember I purchased my first antique pocket watch when I was 10. I treasured that thing, and it’s still one of my most special mementos from my childhood. My kids are 11 and 9 and I think at least one of them legitimately loves clocks and watches as much as I do. I think my other son likes them in a bandwagon sort of way. Thankfully I’m blessed with a wife who enjoys them as well, even if she has less interest in the technical stuff.

Please continue to explore and ask questions. Inexpensive clocks are the place to start, because you will break things. This could be a career for you someday, but even if not, the mechanical aptitude you will learn and the willingness to dive into the unknown will serve you well.
 

Salsagev

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I can get pictures maybe tomorrow since today is my birthday. Thanks.
 

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I still think your Regulator clock co on dial clock is Asian made.
 

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Could it be ansonia?
No. The mark on the dial is similar to Ansonia, but not the same. There is a Japanese logo almost identical, but that is listed as 'unknown', as is the mark in the case.

JTD
 

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Yes, the movement looked like the Japanese clock I worked on. Is this a good quality one?
 

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Japanese clocks were well made, many are around and still running.
 

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The movement looks a lot like a well made American clock such as New Haven, Waterbury and many others.

Should be a good runner.
 

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