'new' banjo clock

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  1. bruce linde

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    just picked this up... someone has made new throat and tablet doors and repainted/replaced the glasses... but nice enough, running, and it will be fun cleaning it up.

    about all i can surmise initially is 'concord-style' glue blocks... at least, according to chipman ela's book... which i understood is both subjective and includes errors... insights and comments welcome!


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    Cool old clock; enjoy!
     
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    So, the glasses are just black? It makes an interesting "statement" surrounded by the gold toned wood, but... How boring. I presume the original would have had more traditional reverse painted scenes?

    Tom
     
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    that was my initial thought, but it actually looks good where it's hanging and i'm liking it.... the original doors would probably have had rope braid moulding on top of the flat pieces and been gold-leafed instead of whatever pseudo-krylon-bronzey-gold these have. the original glasses could have been anything from simple gold on black (tifft-ian) to more ornate scenes.

    the case and keystone appear to be from the concord school (according to foley). the movement is old, but apparently not original... you can see a patched center back hole in the photos i will post shortly.

    in the meantime,

     
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    i do have a phone call into tom moberg to discuss a design i mocked up for it... here are some quick and dirties... the triangular parts around the eye would be open to reveal the pendulum bob... still debating....


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    really nice movement... here are photos:

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    note above that the front plate is thicker than the back....

    more:

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    I have seen these old banjos before on auction site(love weight driven banjos by the way) and have always suspected that alot of these plain designs might be replacements. Here is a John Sawin from my collection. I had a temporary tablet made for the bottom while I have the original restored

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    did some more research... previous posts on the MB and the foley book.

    the case (but not throat and lower tablet doors) appears to be concord... early.

    andy dervan said in another post that ear mounted movements typically came from John Sawin in Boston or possibly another Boston maker. the movement looks early and in fact matches my recently acquired sawin dyar...
     
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    #11 bruce linde, Oct 2, 2019
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    ordered some bead moulding for the door frames, revisited my design for the glasses... here's a mockup.

    like? hate? am i offending the traditionalists? :cool:


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    I'm disappointed you didn't shade the bead moulding gold. You call that a Photoshop?! :p

    Something about the black makes it look modern. Are there period examples with that much black?

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    #13 bruce linde, Oct 2, 2019
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    e. howards, tiffts, etc.

    yes, it's an interesting mix of old and modern. :cool:

    here's a quick-and-dirty with the frames gold-leafed...

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    the modern absolute plain glass is irritating,especially the big one at the bottom.I can imagine it will be more pleasing,not so "massive black looking" when old wavy glass would be used , the old ones in p5 are a good example.The design with the eye "blinking" with the swinging bob behind is nice,I´d go for it!
    A verry nice clock btw,one day I´ll have one of these,too.Congrats!
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    burkhard - thx. the glasses in post 5 are photoshop mockups. i would swing by the local artisanal glass shop and buy old glass before proceeding... they have german, english and american... not cheap, but small pieces so not expensive.

    will probably gold leaf... but also considering the pseudo-gold-leaf alternatives which look to present a little darker... i.e., older... and are cheaper. the gold leaf i used on my last one cost $50 just for the book of gold leaf sheets.
     
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    Great find Bruce, i would love to find one. Thanks for sharing.
     
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    As a traveling man I have no aversion to the all seeing eye. Love the clock, definitely needs some sort of border
     
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    proof of concept with black and white printouts... will look better with gold leaf.
    going to pick up some old glass monday morning and then create a stencil for the bottom tablet pattern.
    the beaded moulding is due tuesday.
    keeps me off then street... :cool:

     
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    update... got some old wavy glass from the local artisanal glass shop, added the wood bead moulding to the door frames, and finished reverse painting the glasses.

    let me get this out of the way: tom moberg has nothing to fear from me.

    this was a classic example of 'by the time i'm done with this job, i'll know (better) how to do it!". i used a highly rated adhesive-backed stencil material from amazon... only to find that the glowing statements of 'no adhesive residue left behind!' and 'lifts off cleanly' were apparently talking about another product. i spent a huge amount of time cleaning up said adhesive residue... sigh.

    anyway, it looks pretty good as long as you don't get in too close... since i see it from across my office/work space, i'm happy. if i ever re-do it, i'll probably make the stencil without using the adhesive backing and then tape in place and ever-so-carefully hand paint within the 'lines'....



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    Interesting choice. Interesting effort.

    For your video, may I suggest this music in the background as you approach the clock:



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    rm -

    knowing your standards and expertise i'm going to hope for the best on 'interesting'... and just say 'thanks!'. :)

    strange, though, how you somehow knew i was planning on adding a motion detector that automatically plays that very theme when you get close to the clock... psychic. o_O
     
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    #22 bruce linde, Oct 18, 2019
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    the official photo:

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    #24 bruce linde, Oct 19, 2019
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    yes... the sidearms help average out the age of bezel and dial vs. the newer throat and tablet frames, and tie the whole thing together... good call!

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    But are those real, or are those photoshopped?

    Knowing your skills, I'm beginning to wonder if your whole collection is really just 0s and 1s...
    Or maybe, you're actually a bot...:emoji_robot:

    Tom :)
     
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    I'm starting to wonder if BL is for real...or a just virtual figment of our imaginations:eek::eek:

    RM
     
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    they are real... had them in my parts pile.

    i have friends and family who also wonder if i’m real... for the record, i am truly flattered... but could still be an AI, having grown up (?) on star trek, 2001: a space odyssey, the terminator, blade runner, william gibson, when harlie was one (really obscure sci fi reference), etc.

    now, if i could only photoshop myself... lose a few pounds, add a little hair, a little dermatology and dental work... o_O
     
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    Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.:p

    Aitor

    PS: Good job, Bruce!:coolsign:
     
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    At first I was wondering who Dave was... Then, Oh, duh, now I get it. :emoji_thumbsup:

    Tom
     
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    I still don't get it. Feel dumb.:(

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    “Daisy, Daisy give me your answer do...”

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