New addition to my collection with a strange engraving

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  1. P.Hageman

    P.Hageman Registered User

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    This one I fetched this morning, a nice untouched bracket clock with original verge escapement made by a London maker, circa 1765? Looks like the customer who ordered for this clock had a special wish for the engraving on the backplate: There's an angel with a scroll which reads "Time flies, remember to die" !!!! I have never seen that before on a backplate of a bracketclock. Wonder if any of the readers here have seen something similair.

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  2. Uhralt

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    Very nice find! The text is a direct translation of the Latin sermon "Tempus fugit, memento mori!". It is usually translated as "Time flies, remember that you have to die."

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  3. novicetimekeeper

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    Sounds rather less harsh in Latin. Nice clock though.
     
  4. rmarkowitz1_cee4a1

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    Not my area of expertise, but is the case as old as the dial and works?

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    Can't read the maker, but inverted bell top, full rococo spandrels, last third of the 18th century seems reasonable.
     
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    Just thinking about it, I have an identical case sat by the side of me, now ebonised, and the dial and movement are featured on another thread I think. will try to find it
     
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    The first name seems to be Joseph. The surname would be easier to read if the OP had moved the minute hand before posting the photo.

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    Yes, got the Joseph but could not make the rest out.
     
  10. Chris Radano

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    The case looks correct. But probably has been properly restored, the way many English bracket clocks have been. One of the only types of old clocks where complete, correct restoration is a plus. Of course, the work done may not reflect a higher price if sold at an auction.
     
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    This may be an intentional whimsical, or comical take on the "Momento Mori" theme. The back plate may not have been intended for the clock's owner to view, only the clockmaker. It reminds me, in one of Brian Loomes' books I have, there is a satirical poem engraved on a clock which mentions another clockmaker. In the book, Loomes surmises the poem is about a rival of the clockmaker. Very interesting.
     
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    I think the engraving of backplates was, at least in part, for the owner. They used to stand the clocks in front of mirrors or on turntables.

    by the time this one came about the brackt clock was well established as a successor to the longcase but was still a very expensive item that would be shown off to visitors and neighbours.
     
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    Personally, I don't see why the owner wouldn't look at their clock. But I am repeating here what I've read in books!
     
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    There are definitely decorations in clocks that are put there by clockmakers either for their own satisfaction or as evidence to other clockmakers that they took care and worked to high standards. Those were probably never seen by owners.

    However these clocks have glass panels side and rear to enable the customer to view the movement.
     
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    Thanks.

    I understand the style is correct and I agree it's a wonderful clock. Just looks, well, so new? Probably reflects the restoration undertaken.

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    Ah, sorry, I thought you were referring to the style. Bracket clock cases can survive in remarkable condition, though, without restoration. When I have questioned this before it was pointed out that they generally get moved and bashed less than longcase clocks.
     
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    Here are some older photos of one of mine. Although a later clock, there is no doubt this was fully, and correctly restored. Probably the restoration was done by a clockmaker in England, although the clock is now in the USA.

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  18. P.Hageman

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    Hi Folks, thanks for all the replies. The case of this clock has NOT been restored. I only put a coat of bees wax on it. Only the movement has had its last cleaning done in the early 80's not far from were I live. This clock has indeed survived quite well.
    @ Nick, remarkable the case is almost identical as far as I can see.
     
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    You should have said so in the first place, to avoid confusion :Party:
     
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    Yes I had a close look, they don't look the same any more, it is now a stunning ebonised case, the rather bland fruitwood veneer was looking a bit tired without its finish.
     

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