New acquisition: C & LC Ives clock

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  1. jboger

    jboger Registered User

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    Just got home from a local auction in which the auctioneer was cleaning out an estate. The Ives triple decker is pretty much what people call a "barn find". I will post pictures later. But first, about 15% of the clock paper is gone, with portions of it lifted from the backboard. I assume hide glue was originally used to paste the clock paper to the backboard. Is that true? And what do people nowadays do to refix the loose ends? My intention is to brush a thin layer of hide glue and weight the paper down. I write "thin" because I don't want the glue to soak through the paper. Any suggestions?
     
  2. Jim DuBois

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    yeah, don't use hide glue. Use wallpaper paste.
     
  3. jboger

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    Just realized I put this post in the wrong place; should not be under wood works as it has a brass strap movement. Anyway, I started it here. Perhaps it can be moved en toto to the right place. Here are some photos. The clock was fully assembled when I bought it, but the weights were wound up to the top. I partially disassembled the clock in the back of my van to pull out the weights (very heavy, in my old age). Then in my work area, I took it further apart, which is what you see photographed. I see some repairs, and a 1937 repair date penciled in on one of the doors. Still looking it over, and still thinking what to do. I did apply some pressure to the time train--not much--and the clock ticked. So I'm hopeful.

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    Nice find. Glad it did not move to brass forum yet or I would not see it. As for the label re-glue, I would recommend an archival approach. I use Jade 403 which can be purchased on-line from Talas .I lift the remains carefully and use a fine artists paint brush to apply. It is designed for just this type of application, but that is just my opinion. Good luck with your "new" treasure. Diane
     
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    I believe I have the same product or something similar. I've had the jar for several years... it keeps well, is easy to store, easy to apply, and easy to clean, and lasts a long time. And useful for re-applying paper labels, or even attaching your own notes to clocks. It's PH neutral, and that's key as it doesn't discolor or damage paper over the course of years.
     
  6. jboger

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    Chris, Diane: Thank you very much for your response. I will check this product out. Sounds like what I'm looking for.

    As for the clock,does anyone recognize the top, which you can see in one of my photos above? It seems unusual to me. It also seems original. At this point I have no reason to question its originality other than it seems "different" from what one usually finds.
     
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    Coming along. At least two generations of repairs--and poor ones at that. Any way coming along. There entire top had to come off; still is. In any case, miles to go before I sleep. (Hmmm, should I repeat that line?)

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  8. rmarkowitz1_cee4a1

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    Yes, I recognize it.

    I recognize it as an incorrect later replacement.

    RM.
     
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    Dear RM: I recognize your comment. I recognize your comment because it seems to be based on my own observation that the top is "different" and therefore a replacement. What would really be helpful is an illustration of a similar top on another clock. That would provide context.
     
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    I suppose the original top might have been something like the one in the link below (click to enlarge).

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    No it's not. It's based upon having seen many of these clocks. Unless the person who replaced the top on your clock did more than one replacement, I doubt that I would find a similar one on another clock. And I would still judge it to be a replacement based upon its style and appearance.

    And as mentioned above, see the examples posted on your other thread about this clock (why 2 threads?) to see the types of splats that were originally there.

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    I've returned to this thread after re-assembling the clock this morning. I have now heard the strike side work. It strikes once about 15 minutes before the hour regardless of the hour. This seems to be a warning, a sort of wake-up call to let the listener know that the hour will strike shortly. Could be very useful at night. Still, I would like someone with more experience than I to confirm this, that this really is the way the movement was designed and not some malfunction. So, in short, was my C & L.C. Ives 8-day brass strap movement designed to strike once before the hour? or do I have some systematic problem to unearth?
     
  14. Uhralt

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    I'm no specialist in these movements but I find it unlikely that it is supposed to be that way. I may be wrong, but it appears to me that the strike is released when the clock goes into warning. That would mean that the hammer tail is already lifted quite high when the clock has stopped striking the previous hour and the small movement of the wheel when going into warning is sufficient to release the strike. Make sure that the hammer tail is completely free when the clock has stopped striking.

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    No it is not meant to do that. You have a problem.

    RM
     
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    I agree with Uhralt. It sounds like the hammer is stopping in the middle of a lift and then striking when the warning releases.

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