Need to know what weights to use.

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  1. Dannob

    Dannob Registered User
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    I have a vintage Trend/Sligh wall clock that has a Kieninger movement marked 77P-80CM. I sent photos to clock works and they told me I needed on at 7.7 and on at 9.9 lbs. I ordered the only weights they had at this weight spec, and they are much longer than the 7" shell that was in the case with the movement when I got it. Now the pendulum rubs on the weights. I cannot find the size requirements for this clock and movement.
    I have the original setup card from Trend that say "Directions for movement 122" but they don't mention the weights.
    If anyone has a suggestion or can answer this question I would be greatful.

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  2. Willie X

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    I'm pretty sure the weight shells should be 160mm x 50mm on your clock, that's for a PS movement with single gong. So far I haven't found the actual weight requirement. I'm sure Mark will have the info you need, so be patient. Willie X
     
  3. Dannob

    Dannob Registered User
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    That sounds great. You're a big help. Will wait for Mark to comment.
    Thanks again.
     
  4. R&A

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    Are there 2 holes in the top cock? If so move the suspension spring out to the farthest hole from the movements.
     
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  5. breeze

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    Is the diameter greater on the new weights than the shell you got with the clock? I checked my Timesavers catalog and they list the weight requirements for the only Keininger gong movement they offer as 8.80 and 6.90. As Willie X said Mark will be along shortly.

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  6. Dannob

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    Yes the new weights are 60mm and the shell is 50mm. Thank you for responding.
     
  7. breeze

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    The less heavy weights will use smaller shells and this may solve your problem.
     
  8. TEACLOCKS

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    That is a PS /w gong movement, use these weights, Heaviest on time


    WEIGHT SPECIFICATIONS FOR GERMAN MOVEMENTS


    KIENINGER
    MOVEMENT CHIME DRIVE S(LBS) T(LBS) C(LBS)
    H WEST CHAIN 8.8 8.8 8.8
    HK TRIPLE CHAIN 8.8 8.8 11.0
    HTU 9-TUBE CABLE 8.8 11.0 14.5
    KK WEST CHAIN 6.6 7.7 6.6
    KKU TRIPLE CHAIN 6.6 7.7 7.7
    KSU/RSU TRIPLE CABLE 6.6 8.8 8.8
    PS BIM/BAM CABLE 8.4 8.8
    PS GONG CABLE 6.9 8.8
    RK WEST CHAIN 6.6 6.6 6.6
    RU TRIPLE CHAIN 6.6 6.6 7.7
    RWS CABLE 8.8
     
  9. MARK A. BUTTERWORTH

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    PS GONG CABLE 6.9 STRIKE 8.8 TIME.
     
  10. Willie X

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    Mark et all,
    OP posted 70P as the model #. In my book it looked like the cable drive/regular gong model # PS. So the PS came from me, right or wrong ... At 50mm the weights will have to be lead and it will probably take the longer weight shell to acomodate 8.8 pounds of lead (?).
    Willie X
     
  11. Dannob

    Dannob Registered User
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    To all who replied to this thread I saw THANK YOU! I was at a loss based on the weights I have which are incorrect. Does anyone know where I can purchase the weights and sleeves?
     
  12. Willie X

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    The 50 mm weights are usually called Grandmother weights. You might have to buy an extra lead weight and saw it off to get the 8.8 pounds. It would be best to talk to the supplier to make sure the shells are long enough to hold the 8.8 pounds. The 6.9 pounds should not be a problem.
    On this MB there are many threads on casting weights and you can also buy roofers lead in sheats and roll it up on a small mandrel.
    Willie X
     
  13. Dannob

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    Thanks Willie X. I was able to get sleeves at Black Forest Imports. I will make my own lead inserts. Thanks agin for all the help and wisdom.
     
  14. Dannob

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    Guys, I purchased weight sleeves at 50X180 and was preparing to make my own inserts. Out of frustration I called Kieninger in Germany and got the low down on the original movement
    77P-80CM. All data and knowledge has said I needed a 6.9 and 8.8 weights. Kieninger told me That my movement is their PS-movement. They are using weights with 2,7KG (5.9lb) each and 50x140 mm shells.
    I have them on order from Black Forest Imports now. I will advise how they work.
     

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