$ Need some information about this carriage clock.

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  1. Chris9999

    Chris9999 Registered User

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    I just brought this carriage clock, and I want to find out some information about this clock. Like which country made, who was the maker? etc

    Thanks

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  2. new2clocks

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    The trademark looks very much like that of C. E. Richard & Cie., except that the lettering does not match:

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    Trademark courtesy of mikrolisk.

    Richard were a French company.

    Your trademark appears to have "R & F" inscribed on it.

    Could Richard also have traded under Richard & Fils (Richard and Sons)? Just a thought.

    Regards.
     
  3. Ticktocktime100

    Ticktocktime100 Registered User

    Hi,

    I think new2clocks has matched it - I very much doubt it is another company, perhaps the lettering evolved slightly over time and it could indeed be "Richard & Fils" in this case, as suggested above. Your clock is obviously French and a rather typical example of its type, made around 1880-1890. Aiguilles is the French word for "hands". The original key is a nice bonus.

    Regards.
     
  4. Chris9999

    Chris9999 Registered User

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    Thanks for all the information. It is come with original key, and it is running very well so far (I've tested it for 2 days. And it keeps very good time). I hope it keeps that way.
    The condition I have received was not good, I have spent about 2 hours for cleaning and oiling the clock.

    Any idea how much it worth now?
     
  5. Ticktocktime100

    Ticktocktime100 Registered User

    Hi,

    While they are very fine clocks, carriage clocks are not rare - this is a fairly standard example with alarm function which is probably worth around $200-250 US given its restored condition and slightly larger size compared to the basic model.

    Regards.
     
  6. jmclaugh

    jmclaugh Registered User

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    I haven't come across any reference to Richard & Fils but it looks to be a French carriage clock in an Obis case but not with an Obis movement.
     
  7. zedric

    zedric Registered User
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    That logo is a puzzle - I certainly can’t recall R&C using a different logo than their standard one, but it is too close to be anything else, and while they made good quality clocks they weren’t in the league that someone would fake their logo.

    Ticktoctime - this is a time and strike only, it doesn’t have an alarm.

    The lack of repeat suggests it might be close to the turn of the 20th century. As has been suggested, a nice But basic example like this should reach Au$ 3-400 or more on a good day if sold via a local auction house, although there is a rather nicer example coming up in Sydney with a depressingly low estimate. The price of carriage clocks can spiral depending on maker, case decoration and features such as quarter striking, with the best selling for £10,000 plus - I saw a French clock with seconds, date, day and alarm dials and grande sonnerie, by Oudin, sell a couple of days ago for €8,000 plus 30% commission.
     
  8. zedric

    zedric Registered User
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    Looking at my notes on Richard and Co:

    Charles Adolphe Richard bought into the business "Lemaitre-Bergmann" in the 1860s. Richard’s partnership with Bergmann was dissolved at the end of 1867, and he formed the company Richard and Cie. This company claimed an establishment date of 1855, which is actually when Lemaitre-Bergmann was founded. The company was taken over by Charles Adolphe's son (so there is a possibility of a Richard et Fils, although I haven't found it)

    They operated with a sales office in London, and manufacturing in France. In 1898 Richard & Co was converted into a limited liability company under the name of Richard & Co Ltd, and largely became clock wholesalers. The business was bought eventually by Simths Industries
     
  9. Ticktocktime100

    Ticktocktime100 Registered User

    Thanks, zedric - I didn't look closely enough at first because I more often see the alarm setup, but upon looking again it is indeed a striker. Therefore, I agree that it could indeed go a bit higher than the price I suggested above.

    Best regards.
     

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