Need some help with a Waterbury Open Escapement clock

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    #1 Jmurrell, Oct 7, 2017
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    101_0850.JPG Does anyone know how the hands on these movements get their friction to run? I have the movement running but the hands are not moving and I am not sure how to fix the friction on one of these.
    John Murrell

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    I suspect that the friction comes from a coned washer in front of the minute hand. Sometimes they won't run without the minute hand in place. At least it's a place to start :)
     
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    Hi Shutterbug, I had the hands on and the washers in place but the hands were not moving while the clock was running. I just took it back out of the clock to try and figure out what was wrong. I didn't know if this was the same as the eight day movements in that you have to take the movement apart and somehow tighten up the gears on the center shaft.
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    You might have misplaced a spring. Sometimes there's a spider spring that goes under the minute wheel. Sometimes it's under the wheel on the center arbor. In the latter case, it's often held tight with a pin or an e-clip which you might have forgotten to replace.
     
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    Thanks for the info but I have not taken this movement apart. I just lubed it and put it in beat so I am not sure where the spring is and looking in the movement I cannot see the spring. Do I have to take the movement apart to get at the spring or is it under the snail on the back side of the movement? This type of movement is new to me as everything for the ringing and count are on the back side of this.
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    It's hard to say where the spring should be, and the same issue could be from a cracked pinion inside the clock. The only real way to determine that is to take the movement apart.
    However, if the pinion is not the issue, any tension will be enough. You could put a small spider spring behind the cannon wheel, or perhaps it was on the minute wheel right under it.
     
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    Sorry it took me a while to get back but I had several house calls to make for grandfather clocks. Thanks for the information I'll give the spring a try before I tear it apart.
    Do you happen to know where I can get some of those spider springs as I cannot find them in any of the catalogs that I have?
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    You might have to make one. They are not too hard - there are several pictures of what they look like here on the board.
     
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    If you look at your center wheel, the minute arbor, when you move the minute hand, there are 2 small gears on that arbor butted against one another. There is a cupped tension washer pressing the front one tight against the rear gear. See if it is present or damaged.

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    Hi Ralph I looked in the movement and the cupped tension washer is present but the gears move freely of each other. I tried to check the gears as I turned them and I cannot see any obvious damage but of course I might be able to see the damage without taking the movement apart. Is there supposed to be a pin through the center shaft in front of the tension washer? If so it is not there.
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    If there's a hole for a pin, then yes.
     
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    Hi Shutterbug, I can see a part of a hole on one side of the center shaft but I cannot see it on the other side. It is possible that it is covered by the spring washer. I will try and move the washer a little to see if it is there. I tell you I never even saw that cone washer until Ralph told me what to look for. I do think that I am going to have to tear the movement apart to get the pin back in place unless I can figure out a cleaver was to get it in without taking it apart. The way my luck is I will more than likely end up taking it apart. O well I need the practice anyway.
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    It might be broken off in the hole. Try tapping it out with a small nail or similar that will fit into the hole.
     
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    Obviously a repair related thread, so I am moving it to clock repair.
     
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