Need some help with a tall case mission clock

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  1. shutterbug

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    I got this mission clock movement in. It was very rusted up, had no hanger or pendulum and no springs. I finished it up today, and it's doing fine .... but I don't know what pendulum is needed or how it hooks up. The movement has no markings, but looks like an ST 89 time and strike half deadbeat. Any help?
     
  2. Willie X

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    Bugs,
    They are fixed up just like an old store clock. Brass faced, or plain, cast iron bob with a cast strap, or tunnel, for the stick to go through. The stick has a rectangular cross section to fit the pendulum, usually 5/8" wide and somewhere between 1/4 and 5/16" thick. Good luck, Willie X
     
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    Pictures needed to be of much help.
     
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    #4 shutterbug, Jan 26, 2018
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    OK. Here's the movement after cleaning it up a bit. I just hung a suspension from stock on it.

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  5. David S

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    Shutterbug what are all those chicken scratches in a rectangular shape at the bottom center of the plate?

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  6. Willie X

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    Possibly an Ingraham. Those wierd punchings are probably hiding the brand ... a debranded movement?
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    Looks like a Gilbert to me.
     
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    Does the case look like this? I have one, Seth Thomas movement. Unfortunately mine has a rigged crutch and replacement pendulum and stick, so probably not much help. It runs fine but sounds horrible. Haven't had the time to try and fix it, so it just collects dust in my basement.
     
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    Here's the movement in mine. 15170157083934207376474652718328.jpg
     
  10. Willie X

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    I think Ipbp is right. That count wheel looks Gilbert. The dead beat escapement is more common with Ingraham but Gilbert probably used that type too.
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    Thanks for that! Anyone have a Gilbert with a pendulum on it? :) I was a bit upset to see the brand obliterated too!
     
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    #12 Dave T, Jan 27, 2018
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    I'm thinking this is a Seth Thomas 44.

    Forget that, I was looking at post #9.

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    I have a Gilbert San Jose with that movement, made in 1926. Has a small triangular shape end on the end of the suspension rod and a small hook on the pendulum
     
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    And the Ingraham count wheel is in a different position, about the same place the count wheel is on the ST #44 in post 9 The 34 on the left leg of shut's movement indicates 1934. I seem to recall having seen that obliteration before on Gilbert movements, but, IIRC, on Gilbert movements sold to Welch in 1899/1900 after the fire at the Welch movement shop. Curious.
     
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    Thanks guys! Harold, how long is the pendulum on yours? I was thinking it was a seconds beat, but after seeing some pics, am no longer so sure.
     
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    I have a Gilbert San Remo, probably very similar to The San Jose. Pendulum is 12" top to bottom.
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    Looks the same as mine for size, Chris. You might need to do some experimenting to figure out the final length.
     
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    This one goes in a tall case. I should have counted teeth when I had it apart. :mallet:
     
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    Some days I just amaze myself! I put a long pendulum on this movement, and let it run 24 hours. By looking at the count wheel, I could tell it had lost about 5 hours in 24. Doing a quick calculation, I determined that the pendulum had to be about a foot shorter. I have seen pic's of these clocks with short pendulums, so I went ahead and cut the stick shorter. After running it a couple of hours I noticed that the strike side was hanging up! So now I have to get another pendulum stick!!! :glasses::banghead:
     
  20. Willie X

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    Well, everyone has a box of short sticks! Tape Man ... uses da tape, sneak up on it, like stalking a wild pig. Guess you were distracted by that calculation. :)
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