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Need Help Identifying Pocket Watch

Jackiewithawatch

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Hi all! I need help identifying a pocket watch and would like to know more about it. The movement is Thomas Russell & Sons and the serial is 67754 from what I can tell. The movement is also labeled with the phrase “Tempus Fugit” and “Swiss Made”, as well as “Premier”. The case serial is “5305104” and is marked as “This Case Guaranteed to Wear 10 Years”. I was wondering also how much it is worth in its current condition. The second hand is missing and the front cover does not easily pop open. It winds and is running. Thank you for your help! I very much appreciate it.

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Bernhard J.

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Hi,

The Russell firm had good watches with English made movements, but later began using Swiss movements of lesser (politely said) quality in the hope to stay competitive with Swiss importers. This one is, unfortunately, an example of this "downgrading". The case leaves me somewhat puzzled. With respect to a value in the present state, I would tend to assume the two-figure range.

Best regards, Bernhard
 
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svenedin

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As already said, it is a Revue 30 movement but with a low jewel count. Usually these are 15, 16 or 17 jewel movements but your example looks to be 9 jewels (balance 4, impulse 1, pallets 2, lever 2 =9). Although labelled "Premier" it is quite low end. The case is of the rolled gold type with a thin layer of gold over brass which has largely worn off. It clearly saw a lot of use that watch.

As Bernhard said, Thomas Russell starting using Swiss movements. There is considerable variation in the quality of the movements used. Here is one of my watches by Thomas Russell with a Swiss movement: https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/thomas-russell-and-sons-gallet-electa-movement.189800/
 

svenedin

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As already said, it is a Revue 30 movement but with a low jewel count. Usually these are 15, 16 or 17 jewel movements but your example looks to be 9 jewels (balance 4, impulse 1, pallets 2, lever 2 =9). Although labelled "Premier" it is quite low end. The case is of the rolled gold type with a thin layer of gold over brass which has largely worn off. It clearly saw a lot of use that watch.

As Bernhard said, Thomas Russell starting using Swiss movements. There is considerable variation in the quality of the movements used. Here is one of my watches by Thomas Russell with a Swiss movement: https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/thomas-russell-and-sons-gallet-electa-movement.189800/
Value wise I would think probably £40-50
 

Jackiewithawatch

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Hi,

The Russell firm had good watches with English made movements, but later began using Swiss movements of lesser (politely said) quality in the hope to stay competitive with Swiss importers. This one is, unfortunately, an example of this "downgrading". The case leaves me somewhat puzzled. With respect to a value in the present state, I would tend to assume the two-figure range.

Best regards, Bernhard
Thank you!
 

Jackiewithawatch

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As already said, it is a Revue 30 movement but with a low jewel count. Usually these are 15, 16 or 17 jewel movements but your example looks to be 9 jewels (balance 4, impulse 1, pallets 2, lever 2 =9). Although labelled "Premier" it is quite low end. The case is of the rolled gold type with a thin layer of gold over brass which has largely worn off. It clearly saw a lot of use that watch.

As Bernhard said, Thomas Russell starting using Swiss movements. There is considerable variation in the quality of the movements used. Here is one of my watches by Thomas Russell with a Swiss movement: https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/thomas-russell-and-sons-gallet-electa-movement.189800/
Thank you very much!
 

Incroyable

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Interesting that the case has a floral banded decoration you'd usually find on high end gold cases from the Regency period.
 
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